New Jag-Stang! Kurdts original design

[taylornutt]

i love that.

I think that is a much more elegant and flowing design than the original Jag-stang. Keeps the overall beauty of the Jaguar shape but adds the Mustang features in a more subtle way. I love the Mustang cutaway.

Would you make the body at Mustang depth (1.5") or Jaguar depth (1.75")? I always though a Jaguar shaped guitar with Mustang depth would be a nice guitar.

[speedfish]

[quote="Punkacc9"]
Jag-Stang 2.0 by punkacc9, on Flickr


There's something about your body that I like better than Fender's release of Kurt's design. Can you do a side by side with yours and Fenders?

Thanks,

[dots]

i like it, but the black pickups kind of put me off.

[taylornutt]

I think you had really captured what Kurt was originally going for

[Dave]

Looks nice but one thing I would say is it is very much on the middle road..a tad 'conservative' if you will. It needs a subtle tweak somehow to give it some character of it's own. At the moment it looks a little unadventurous being pitched precisely between two guitars.. I think the back needs to be more slanted, more.....funky..... but then again I think the Jag stang shape is awesome and has character.

[jagsonic]

this looks cool. but i think it would get a really big guitar that feels not like a mustang - more than a jaguar. but thats what i like at the original jagstang: feels and plays like a little studentmodel.

[hotrodperlmutter]

feels and plays like a little studentmodel.

yeah, an obese student with a bulbous ass.

this shit is awesome. now, build it. it is exactly what i think it should have looked like.

[Dave]

this looks cool. but i think it would get a really big guitar that feels not like a mustang - more than a jaguar. but thats what i like at the original jagstang: feels and plays like a little studentmodel.

Yeah this: I only wish the body was mustang thickness - it's actually pretty heavy

[dots]

i like it, but the black pickups kind of put me off.

or they could do as the designer asked and install a single spaced humbucker. i'm kinda perplexed as to why more manufacturers opt not to do this more often for aesthetics. is it cost or the very slight output difference between a small humbucker vs. the full size? because, srsly, i think it would be rad as hell to have a guitar like teh kurdtz designed with robroe covers over both pickups, the bridge being a small humbucker. OH WAIT. i had that, it was called my upgraded mustang (which i solded when i needed moneys).

[taylornutt]

The more I look at this guitar the more I want to build it. This could be my next project after my Jazzmaster. I have some Ash guitar stock that has been plained to 1.5" that I originally intended for a Mustang, but I might take it and see if I could make a Jag-stang 2.0. I also have a regular Jag-stang trace I made from an original guitar, but your drawing just looks so cool.

[Awstin]

The more I look at this guitar the more I want to build it. This could be my next project after my Jazzmaster. I have some Ash guitar stock that has been plained to 1.5" that I originally intended for a Mustang, but I might take it and see if I could make a Jag-stang 2.0. I also have a regular Jag-stang trace I made from an original guitar, but your drawing just looks so cool.

Thanks a lot guys. I really like the setup of the jb with a single coil and just a toggle. I find that the easiest setup cus the jb is awesome for distortion and thick sound and then you can get a texas special like I am using for the neck and it has amazing cleans. I feel like Kurt would of really liked this. That bottom horn is actually a pawn shop mustang horn lol. I couldnt find a mustang in a sparkle color so the real body that I am having made will have a little larger of a horn. I am surprised nobody pointed out on the first edit the strings nor vibrato line up lol. I fixed that in the new edit and added the kurtz vibrato and pickguard along with a trem bar. Maybe if you guys like this you would like my Mustang offeset that I planned to build forever ago but never did...

But anyway.. I am going to take apart my 1966 rebuilt mustang to build this.


mustang + jag-stang = by punkacc9, on Flickr
Outline of one of my mustangs and one of my jagstangs and combined. Still have the template if anyones interested.


template with parts (mock up) by punkacc9, on Flickr


Mustang Off by punkacc9, on Flickr
The photoshop

Pickguard! by punkacc9, on Flickr
My favorite pickguard

[Awstin]

Maybe this may spark some interest as well. A came up with this concept two years ago. I call it the corevette. It includes a mustang cyclone style body with a jag bridge and trem, tele control plate and controls, a fender atomic humbucker, a single, standard toggle, a single coil split for the bridge humbucker (phase switch) and a 24 scale neck


Corevette by punkacc9, on Flickr
First edit


Corevette competition by punkacc9, on Flickr
And a competition one


If anyone needs some photoshopping done I am glad to help

[dots]

I am going to have a 1966 mustang and a new pickguard for sale. Anybody interested?

i really do appreciate your enthusiasm, but please do refrain from using the info forums to advertise like this. we don't really care for it from established members, so a newcomer doing so will definitely not get you the kind of attention you're after. don't worry, i am giving full benefit of the doubt and presuming you weren't aware and meant no harm; just letting you know we have rules about this sort of thing which have been developed over the years for everyone's protection, including yours.

good luck on the projects and feel free as a bird to post all about them! =]

[mkt3000]

Maybe this may spark some interest as well. A came up with this concept two years ago. I call it the corevette. It includes a mustang cyclone style body with a jag bridge and trem, tele control plate and controls, a fender atomic humbucker, a single, standard toggle, a single coil split for the bridge humbucker (phase switch) and a 24 scale neck


Corevette by punkacc9, on Flickr
First edit


Corevette competition by punkacc9, on Flickr
And a competition one


If anyone needs some photoshopping done I am glad to help

Interesting concept, but I find it just too busy. Maybe ditch the comp stripe and add a matching headstock, move some attention away from the body and shift it onto the neck.

[murdok]

Making a more refined Jag-Stang shape
this is a great thread and a great idea. its something that has been long overdue and i can remember tracing out mustangs and jagstangs on paper, but never quite getting it right. I think seeing that green example earlier in the thread has crystalizing it and really has me excited.

So we all know around 1992 Kurt would have been wearing his pyjamas, hiding in his walk-in closet with his polaroid camera and totally out of his mind on smack. I think the concept and couple of iterations he went through showed he definately was on to the right idea. In the first instance, what kurt really wanted was a jaguar body with the mustang pickguard and mustang lower cutaway:



And here is an approximate representation, a straightfoward jaguar body with a mustang pickguard and cutaway (i think this is the guitar shape better illustrated in the original post), ps ive knocked all these up in paintbrush without a mouse so they are more a guide, we can always do a proper photoshop job later.



After giving it some more thought, in his second iteration kurt has realised that the lines of the upper arm area are too excessive (this issue is present on the green example) (see kurts comment about "reshape right side", as it needs to be more in line with the upper horn (or more effectively use the arm area from the mustang shape) as illustrated below:





So at this point we have a representation of what kurt wanted in his design on paper (*edit*, note that at this point, kurt has reshaped the upper horn to be more "aggressive jagstang like" in place of the standar Jaguar horn) . Now unfortuantly not being able to get feedback or insight from the Fender Master builder at the time, we can only speculate how well balanced a guitar of that shape might be. Balanced or not, it looks as cool as fuck and I want to make one.

So during this period based on conversations and creative input from the Fender Master builder, the middle of the guitar shape contracts or is "pinched" so that the top middle is now closer to the top of the pickguard, as evidenced by the cardboard mockups:



So kurts 1993 US made jagstang is shipped to him, approximately by? he only received his mustang in july for roseland, and presumably he didn't have his jagstang in september for SNL. possibility of receiving it around or after october during the start of the In Utero tour. Certaintly it is first seen in documented photos in use early december 1993 (12/03/93).

Whilst there are several photos of kurt playing the jagstang live, there are only a few really, really good up close detailed photos of the guitar itself. Kurts 93 Jagstang is a true "one-off" at this point the lower cutaway and pickguard are shaped correctly in a more mustang type fashion, the lower butt area is more drooped like an ant (or appearing so due to the different angle and placing of the control plate) and it *appears* that the top horn is still very much a point up like a jaguar shape, or this might just be the angles the guitar is held at.

the pickguard is plain white, maybe two or three ply, but definately W/W/W like a single ply 50's strat guard. On sonic blue this looks surftastic and i totally love it.
Undeniably though, this 93 jagstang is a different overall shape to the 94 jagstang:






The 1994 Jag-Stang.
So the story goes, Fender was due to ship this example out during early April 1994 (on they day they heard on the radio kurt had died). presumably this fiesta red example was manuafactured during February/March 1994 which puts approximately 5 to 7 months between it and the manufacturing of the sonic blue example. This example shown below is now present at the Fender Muesuem and was effectively very well duplicated and served as the basis for the MIJ Jagstang production run.

For whatever reason, the lines along the cutaway changed, and the upper horn takes a different "more aggressive" angle (so there is a little less space between it an the upper register frets.) see below (real deal vs MIJ)




So how do we make it better?
There are a lot of cool things I like about the Jag-stang. Whilst it is only a reshaped mustang really, for its time its great and when you think about what Fender was doing guitar wise during 1993, its pretty out there. Even now it still is quite a unique shape. There is a lot they got right with it.

But they also got a couple of things wrong:
1. They fucked up the shape of the guard. It should have been a standard issue mustang shape, not "slightly different"
2. The thickness of the body should be closer to a mustang instead of closer to a telecaster.
3. I like the slab body, but some people like contours

I have been playing with a few different shapes, and what has surprised me, the more i tinker with it, the more i feel they got it fairly close the first time. Really its only the lower cutaway that needs tweaking.

Note, that the darker Candy Apple Red shapes are from a Jaguar, the light Dakota/Fiesta Red is from a Mustang/Jag-Stang where applicable.

[murdok]

[murdok]

[murdok]

Maybe kurt just wanted a lefty maruader, or a jaguar with a mustang cutaway

[murdok]

its a shape that lends itself to looking good in a righty configuration, BUT LOOKS FUCKING EPIC IN LEFTY CONFIGURATION

[Awstin]

ThE Marauders are extremely nice if anyone is wondering. I love mine. I preordered it. It came us soon as they were released. Maybe it will be worth something one day lol. The strat trem is eh though. I rather a jag.