True bypass Micro POG?

[Dave]

Srsly. Buffer for more than a couple of pedals. My Korg tuner does it and if I have a load of pedals set up I'll stick a fredric effects Klon buffer at the other end before the amp

[Doog]

It's more the high end attenuation inherent with running a signal through lots of cables.

But look at the actual length of the signal through my board - it's easily less than a metre...?

And then the length of cable going into the pedalboard, and from the pedalboard to the amp..

[Noisy Cat]

About the Micro POG:

"DRY OUT Jack – This ¼� jack outputs a buffered version of the input signal. The
output impedance at this jack is 250 Ω."

Is this a decent amount of buffering?

[Dave]

It's more the high end attenuation inherent with running a signal through lots of cables.

But look at the actual length of the signal through my board - it's easily less than a metre...?

And then the length of cable going into the pedalboard, and from the pedalboard to the amp..

You have to account for all the signal path length inside the pedals too, all around the wires and circuitry etc - it's not just the connectors

[othomas2]

Don't listen to them Noisy Cat, they're pulling your chain.... they often do this with Noobs.

True Bypass is always better.

[avj]

I always defer to Pete Cornish's perspective on this topic: Case Against True Bypass

Pretty much what everyone's already stated, but this time from a wizard.

[Doog]

Don't listen to them Noisy Cat, they're pulling your chain.... they often do this with Noobs.

True Bypass is always better.

Double bluff? I ain't jokin' about NATHIN'

True bypass is fine if you've got a buffer at the start of your chain.

Or you hate high end.

[George]

Don't listen to them Noisy Cat, they're pulling your chain.... they often do this with Noobs.

True Bypass is always better.

That hurts. I think we've all imparted good advice.

He even did the play through chain, then play direct experiment and agreed about the tone degradation.

[Freddy V-C]

My current board has virtually nothing true bypass, and I have noticed zero adverse effects. Then again maybe I have cloth ears.

[Noisy Cat]

He even did the play through chain, then play direct experiment and agreed about the tone degradation.

Only a teeny-weeny bit.

[othomas2]

I was just trollin' with ya.... sorry. They is right, and you should take note.

I also use a micro pog and I can't detect any differences between going though my chain & going direct, and I have the same number of pedals as you.

The only time I've ever noticed bad bypass ever was with a Behringer Big Muff clone, that's it.

Using good cables and patch leads has made more of a notable difference to me in restoring my 'tone'.

Buy the pog & enjoy !!

[Mages]

But look at the actual length of the signal through my board - it's easily less than a metre...?

And then the length of cable going into the pedalboard, and from the pedalboard to the amp..

You have to account for all the signal path length inside the pedals too, all around the wires and circuitry etc - it's not just the connectors

yeah that's where it really starts add up. there be miles o' wire inside them pedals.

[lorez]

And then the length of cable going into the pedalboard, and from the pedalboard to the amp..

You have to account for all the signal path length inside the pedals too, all around the wires and circuitry etc - it's not just the connectors

yeah that's where it really starts add up. there be miles o' wire inside them pedals.

You haven't seen inside my pedal builds, I can even pick up taxi cabs in Italy when I stomp on the fuzz face I built

[ekwatts]

I've always used a mixture of buffered and true bypass pedals. It has never made a mouses dicksworth of difference what order or how much of each I have on my board. My ears aren't shit, I just don't really care that much. I used to see all the true bypass stuff and think "OMG THIS MUST IMPROVE MY TOENZ" and then buy the pedal, stick it on the board and then go to practice and play everything through a Big Muff anyway. Because of all my newer EHX stuff I was becoming dangerously close to having an all true bypass board, and it was about that time I started reading how much of a bullshit snake oil thing it was and started slapping ye olde buffered pedals back on there.

Some pedals just have buffers. Get over it. The only time you should worry about it is when a buffer is particularly shit. But buffers aren't intrinsically shit. They've rather useful.

[Doog]

I wish I still had the samples from this thread, they're no longer online. It really was night and day; like rolling your tone control back a few notches.

[George]

Indeed. Putting an MBM buffer or a tuner at the front of my signal makes a HUGE difference to my cleans. Sparkle and chime isn't important to everyone though.

[rps-10]

A few days ago I added a true bypass/buffer switch to that harmonic energizer pedal I built. The original build is a buffered pedal, but I wanted to try it out in front of some grumpy fuzzes that don't like buffers in front of them.

When playing clean - true bypass mode is true bypass, but when switching back to buffered you can just about hear a slight increase in the high end clean signal. It's a tiny difference and I doubt doing an demo would demonstrate it off video cam recording.
So there isn’t much in TB/Buffered if you have a good buffer you will regain some sparkles. A bad buffer I guess is something to avoid.

[ekwatts]

Indeed. Putting an MBM buffer or a tuner at the front of my signal makes a HUGE difference to my cleans. Sparkle and chime isn't important to everyone though.

Yeah, I'm not that bothered about it all, to be honest. When I was playing with a seriously humongously loud drummer last year I was playing my Batwing through my Classic 30. Both are pretty trebly and at those volumes it was ear-splitting. I ended up turning the treble control almost all the way down at one point, no joke. It was ridiculous.