First 2nd-hand Squier JM JM I've seen

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:45 am

On Gumtree for Â£360 w/Lollars.

Not a big discount on a new one, but with the Lollars looks like a good deal.

I didn't expect to see any of these going 2nd-hand for quite some time to come - I guess I misunderestimated how fickle some people are.

lorez · Post by **lorez** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:10 am

UlricvonCatalyst wrote:On Gumtree for Â£360 w/Lollars.

Not a big discount on a new one, but with the Lollars looks like a good deal.

I didn't expect to see any of these going 2nd-hand for quite some time to come - I guess I misunderestimated how fickle some people are.

I picked one up from Boab on here last week, it was his mates.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:58 am

So he's fitted Â£142+ worth of pickups and wants more than the new price. Not gonna happen, he'd make more money stripping them Lollars out and selling them separately.
I think this is one of the Youtube demo guys, one of them had fitted Lollars and whatnot.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:50 am

I've seen three used ones on ebay, two ended at just under Â£300, so pretty close to the new price, and this is the third. What were they thinking?

Rox · Post by **Rox** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:59 pm

I played it ... It was ok.. The new Squier Jazzy plays better .. And it's cheaper . But if you can get it cheap grab it .

gusman2x · Post by **gusman2x** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:50 pm

Rox wrote:I played it ... It was ok.. The new Squier Jazzy plays better .. And it's cheaper . But if you can get it cheap grab it .

Interesting man. What did you prefer about the new vintage modified guitars over the jmjm?

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:04 pm

Fran wrote:So he's fitted Â£142+ worth of pickups and wants more than the new price.

While this particular guitar seems like an alright deal for that money because of the replacement pickguard included and the particularly nice and sought-after pickups used, I really do hate this more than anything when I'm shopping for used guitars, right under counterfeits and nutsacks reflected in control plates.

The aftermarket pickup scene is so extensive now that there's an entire generation of shitheads who think their modified guitar is worth slightly less than retail + ballpark replacement pickup retail. If it's not original, it's devalued.

the Lollar Pickups cost cost Â£142 plus Â£5 delivery and another Â£30 to get them fitted, they give the Squier J Mascis Jazzmaster are classic vintage jazzmaster sound

Whoa, life story... how much was lunch that day? It's still not going to sound like "a classic Jazzmaster" with a TOM, regardless of how much money was spent on pickups. It's going to sound like a cleaner J Mascis Jazzy with less low-end/screaming mids.

gusman2x · Post by **gusman2x** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:07 pm

paul_ wrote:
It's going to sound like a cleaner J Mascis Jazzy with less low-end/screaming mids.

Which is part of what's good about the jmjm

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:31 pm

NickD wrote:I've seen three used ones on ebay, two ended at just under Â£300, so pretty close to the new price, and this is the third. What were they thinking?

FFS, why?

paul_ wrote:The aftermarket pickup scene is so extensive now that there's an entire generation of shitheads who think their modified guitar is worth slightly less than retail + ballpark replacement pickup retail. If it's not original, it's devalued.

Agree completely.

lorez · Post by **lorez** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:06 pm

I agree on asking for more on the extras fitted, he has said though the original pickups and a new pick guard is included so maybe all aded up it might be worth it.

I'm looking at what to add to mine, the switch is iffy and needs replacing, at least I hope it's the switch. Pickps might get upgraded so looking at replacements currently. Love the scratch plate but want witch hats to match. Bridge is different to my vintage JM obviously and I like it but wonder about the quality. Trem, I would like a trem lock but I've had no issues with tuning if I don't abuse the tremolo and play without it mainly so that isn't an issue. Neck wise, I love the satin finish and profile, frets and radius make playing leads are easier than my vintage.

Looking forward to trying a vmjm to compare though but I think the finish on the neck alone is worth the difference in price for me

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:13 pm

I didn't notice it came with the originals, so that is good I guess. Still, given that it costs more than a new Mascis he's pretty much forcing the Novaks on you.

Could the higher secondhand prices of late be because the Mascis is going to be discontinued? They may be scrubbing it to re-configure for the VM Jazzies which have cheaper pickguards, as many have speculated. It certainly seemed like they've had a good "feeler" period gauging how well a Squier offset would sell before diving in whole-hog with the bridges and full compliment of Jaguar electronics and such.

lorez · Post by **lorez** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:21 pm

I heard the discontinue rumour but thinks not happening with a bit more digging. I think in the uk availability has been limited, just like the cv's when they came out and a lot of shops don't have them new anyway and have to order them and your waiting a few weeks for them now. CVs and the artist series still keep their values as well now.

Rox · Post by **Rox** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:53 am

gusman2x wrote:
Rox wrote:I played it ... It was ok.. The new Squier Jazzy plays better .. And it's cheaper . But if you can get it cheap grab it .
Interesting man. What did you prefer about the new vintage modified guitars over the jmjm?

Better sounding pickups .. Other than that and the aluminum pickguard they're about the same .

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:11 am

lorez wrote:I'm looking at what to add to mine, the switch is iffy and needs replacing, at least I hope it's the switch. Pickps might get upgraded so looking at replacements currently. Love the scratch plate but want witch hats to match. Bridge is different to my vintage JM obviously and I like it but wonder about the quality. Trem, I would like a trem lock but I've had no issues with tuning if I don't abuse the tremolo and play without it mainly so that isn't an issue. Neck wise, I love the satin finish and profile, frets and radius make playing leads are easier than my vintage.

ITT: Chris admits the Squier is better than a Vintage Jazzmaster

What you thinking? Roller bridge? Creamery pups?

Back to the subject of them Lollars on the JMJM sale, on paper its a decent deal but i cant see it appealing to the Squier market. Lollars are expensive, vintage spec upgrades that usually find their way onto AVRIs. They are a bit of a mismatch to this modernised JM that is essentially meant to be an affordable model.

lorez · Post by **lorez** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:28 am

Fran wrote:
lorez wrote:Neck wise, I love the satin finish and profile, frets and radius make playing leads are easier than my vintage.
ITT: Chris admits the Squier is better than a Vintage Jazzmaster

well i'm a chord shambler not a lead monster like you fran, so anything that makes me feel comfortable to try an hammer on is good in my book. take a lot for me to try and bust out a solo, so in that respect its better. doesn't sound as lovely though

Fran wrote: What you thinking? Roller bridge? Creamery pups?

Something like that, I actually like the TOM but just wondered about something that didn't feel as "cheap" it doesn't feel that sturdy.

Fran wrote: Back to the subject of them Lollars on the JMJM sale, on paper its a decent deal but i cant see it appealing to the Squier market. Lollars are expensive, vintage spec upgrades that usually find their way onto AVRIs. They are a bit of a mismatch to this modernised JM that is essentially meant to be an affordable model.

I'd buy it, take the lollers out and sell them. As the old pups come with it then you can either put those back in. How much are 2nd hand lollers?

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:38 am

Even if you make it better, modifying a guitar reduces resale value - it is just a fact, no point in even arguing about it.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:49 am

I'm not so sure, I think it depends on the modification & the guitar, decent mods with the original parts included shouldn't devalue it.

It certainly doesn't increase it though.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:01 pm

lorez wrote:I'd buy it, take the lollers out and sell them. As the old pups come with it then you can either put those back in. How much are 2nd hand lollers?

I'm sure you would get around Â£100 on OSG or somewhere, maybe. Because the JM is so niche and the pups basically fit nothing else (as a pair) they aren't that desirable.

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:42 pm

Ah, I'd actually forgotten Boab's one. Don't call me Memory Man.

When I was looking for JM pickups a year or two ago, the best UK price for Lollars was about Â£110 the pair, so you could maybe get Â£90 for them on OSG if you were willing to wait forever and a day or ask Â£75 and watch them fly.

I can see Mike's point, but to my mind there are no absolutes (including that statement). The Jazzmaster is a niche instrument, though it's becoming less so with every passing day it seems, but someone in the market for their first one is going to hear someone say "you need to change the pickups in them", which is a throwback to the Strat-like pickups on the Japanese ones. Such is the nature of internet Chinese Whispers.

Either way, it still looks like a deal: you could put it back to stock then bring the price down by selling the extras or, if its your first and you've listened to the whispers, the upgrade's already been done for you.

Also worth bearing in mind is the fact that anyone with any savvy selling something on Gumtree will ask for more than they expect to get as an opening gambit.

That eBay one looks well iffy. Do they really have a green undercoat or is somebody trying to palm off something else as a relic'd JM JM?

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:09 pm

NickD wrote:I'm not so sure, I think it depends on the modification & the guitar, decent mods with the original parts included shouldn't devalue it.

It certainly doesn't increase it though.

Doesn't matter whether they're legit mods performed by God himself. The market value will always reflect that it was opened up and stuff unsoldered and resoldered.

It's not big, clever or even reasonable, but if he wanted the highest return on it, he should have returned it to bone stock, said nothing and sold the lollars separately.

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