NGD - VM Jag
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NGD - VM Jag
So, I was really excited to get an olympic white jag when I heard they were coming out. I had been considering getting a mij, but couldn't really justify the expense (or extravagance).
I wanted to play it before buying it, and the first place to get one in Manchester was PMT. Thet got them in, but only CAR and SG. They said they had 3 white ones in Leeds, and would happily fire one over for me to try. I was kind of worried they'd send the pig, and leave the good ones on the floor in Leeds. This is pretty much what they did. The guitar played nice, but the neck was ugly as sin. Loads of weird discolouration, flame and knots. The headstock was just as bad. I played a CAR one, which was nice, and the neck was absolutely fine on it. One neck swap later, and we were good to go.
Some observations so far
Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm. The paint (on mine anyway) isn't superb. There's a couple of points where I can see the undercoat, where it must have been over buffed. There are some of those little black dirt specs. The pocket fits nice, but is a bit untidy. It's hard to say, but it just feels less well put together.
The neck is the exception though (and the most important thing to me). It's got a great finish, is a perfect shape and size, and the frets are almost as good as any new guitar I've played.
Sounds are hard for me to gauge really. I've never had a jag before, and when I got it home, it kinda sounded pretty shrill to me. I've been mostly playing with the tone knob backed off a quarter. I'm getting used to the pick ups now, and have dialled in my pedals to suit. I'm starting to really like the sounds. It's very different, but that's good. I may swap the pickups out at some point. I've never done that before, so this may be my learn to do things guitar.
Setup was OK I suppose. The tech at the shop tweaked the neck and set the saddle height as he was putting it back together. Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this Tuning isn't as solid as the jmjm, and trem use seems to put it out quicker. the trem rattles a bit with abuse, so maybe a fender one will solve that.
Overall, really starting to love playing this. Which is good, because I hated it for the first two days
I wanted to play it before buying it, and the first place to get one in Manchester was PMT. Thet got them in, but only CAR and SG. They said they had 3 white ones in Leeds, and would happily fire one over for me to try. I was kind of worried they'd send the pig, and leave the good ones on the floor in Leeds. This is pretty much what they did. The guitar played nice, but the neck was ugly as sin. Loads of weird discolouration, flame and knots. The headstock was just as bad. I played a CAR one, which was nice, and the neck was absolutely fine on it. One neck swap later, and we were good to go.
Some observations so far
Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm. The paint (on mine anyway) isn't superb. There's a couple of points where I can see the undercoat, where it must have been over buffed. There are some of those little black dirt specs. The pocket fits nice, but is a bit untidy. It's hard to say, but it just feels less well put together.
The neck is the exception though (and the most important thing to me). It's got a great finish, is a perfect shape and size, and the frets are almost as good as any new guitar I've played.
Sounds are hard for me to gauge really. I've never had a jag before, and when I got it home, it kinda sounded pretty shrill to me. I've been mostly playing with the tone knob backed off a quarter. I'm getting used to the pick ups now, and have dialled in my pedals to suit. I'm starting to really like the sounds. It's very different, but that's good. I may swap the pickups out at some point. I've never done that before, so this may be my learn to do things guitar.
Setup was OK I suppose. The tech at the shop tweaked the neck and set the saddle height as he was putting it back together. Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this Tuning isn't as solid as the jmjm, and trem use seems to put it out quicker. the trem rattles a bit with abuse, so maybe a fender one will solve that.
Overall, really starting to love playing this. Which is good, because I hated it for the first two days
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Bah, i was hoping these would be but to be fair the JMJM is the more expensive model.gusman2x wrote:Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm.
Still, it looks great and good to hear you are liking it
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They're not a million miles away. The playability, and probably sounds are as good (different of course), but the build quality and certainly finish are definitely below the jmjm. To be fair though, the jmjm was a complete and unexpected gemFran wrote:Bah, i was hoping these would be but to be fair the JMJM is the more expensive model.gusman2x wrote:Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm.
Still, it looks great and good to hear you are liking it
Yeah, I think I'm getting bitten by the bug for sure.Mike wrote:
Great stuff! Jags are idiosyncratic, loads of people can't be bothered or can't get on with them, but if you persevere they're well worth thew effort.
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Im pleased i went for the JMJM now, it was that, the Marauder or one of the new Jags.gusman2x wrote:They're not a million miles away. The playability, and probably sounds are as good (different of course), but the build quality and certainly finish are definitely below the jmjm. To be fair though, the jmjm was a complete and unexpected gemFran wrote:Bah, i was hoping these would be but to be fair the JMJM is the more expensive model.gusman2x wrote:Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm.
Still, it looks great and good to hear you are liking it
Anyway, sorry to hijack. If i get some proper spare cash i still think i'll still get one of these.
+1Mike wrote:Great stuff! Jags are idiosyncratic, loads of people can't be bothered or can't get on with them, but if you persevere they're well worth thew effort.
Took me years to figure out all the modifications I'd done had been hasty, and without them it would be the most fun/unique guitar in my collection. I think not having it as my main axe during a developmental stage was a key step though.
Aug wrote:which one of you bastards sent me an ebay question asking if you can get teh kurdtz with that 64 mustang?
robertOG wrote:fran & paul are some of the original gangstas of the JS days when you'd have to say "phuck"
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Man, you're gonna looooooooooove it!robrtnickerson wrote:I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.
Sorry, nice Jag too.
Mine ticks like a bastard when the vibrato is switched on, but to be honest, just the reverb is enough for me. Best sounding thing in the world to me. Congrats
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Yeah, I think pound for pound, the the jmjm would be the best choice. It really is an unreal guitar for the money, it's just a shame I get thumb pain with the neck. Maybbe I'll just man the fuck upFran wrote:Im pleased i went for the JMJM now, it was that, the Marauder or one of the new Jags.
Anyway, sorry to hijack. If i get some proper spare cash i still think i'll still get one of these.
My mate I jam with is a dyed in the wool strat/tele/LP/SG man, and never considered a jazzmaster. Ever time I take it round, he's like "This is amazing". Which it is
My Silverface Twin does that too. It's a design fault.gusman2x wrote:Man, you're gonna looooooooooove it!robrtnickerson wrote:I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.
Sorry, nice Jag too.
Mine ticks like a bastard when the vibrato is switched on, but to be honest, just the reverb is enough for me. Best sounding thing in the world to me. Congrats
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Mine is basically needing everything done to it that you might expect a 40 yr old amp to need plus some. So I'll have to wait 'till I get the scratch to pay the ampman. If the tick is a design flaw then my life will have to continue as it has up to this point...no vibratoNickD wrote:My Silverface Twin does that too. It's a design fault.gusman2x wrote:Man, you're gonna looooooooooove it!robrtnickerson wrote:I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.
Sorry, nice Jag too.
Mine ticks like a bastard when the vibrato is switched on, but to be honest, just the reverb is enough for me. Best sounding thing in the world to me. Congrats
Mine too. If you're brave there is a fix which just involves adding a capacitor and bunching some wires:
Vintage Amps Forum thread
(note the presence of our beloved Shortscaler Pat on that forum too, he's everywhere!)
Vintage Amps Forum thread
(note the presence of our beloved Shortscaler Pat on that forum too, he's everywhere!)
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Pardon my stupidity, but what is PTFE? Could you expand on this?gusman2x wrote:Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this
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Polytetrafluoroehtylene, plastic tape for engineers, or plumbers tape. Basically that soft white stretchy tape you get in hardware shops. It forms the tradesman's triangle, with silicone and duct (gaffer) tapesinglepickup24 wrote:Pardon my stupidity, but what is PTFE? Could you expand on this?gusman2x wrote:Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this