22.5" scale necks

dren68 · Post by **dren68** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:53 pm

Ankhanu wrote:I misspoke, the Squier Mini is 22.75".
Definitely try to borrow your friends' daughter's Mini, seems like the easiest way to test the size.

I ordered one for my daughter a week ago, still waiting for it to arrive. I'll be giving it a once over, and likely increase the string gauge, as it felt a little bandy playing the one that was in the store (mind you, playing the guitars set up with 9s in the store, even full scale, feel bandy now that I've switched to 11s on everything). I'll let you know if I have intonation/tuning issues (keeping in mind that these are Affinity quality tuners )

No problem. I'll see my friend at band practice this week, so I'll ask him about it then. It will definitely be the easiest way to test it, so I'm glad I you mentioned that.

Post by **dots** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:11 pm

played aug's '64 mustang which was 22.5", and i didn't care for it.

cur · Post by **cur** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:18 pm

YOu probably can play an Ibanez Mikro at a GC. They are 22.5" but have a normal sized nut width that make them easier to play. (Ibanez says 22" and MF has it at 22.5" but it what is a 1/2 inch amongst friends).

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dren68 · Post by **dren68** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:23 am

cur wrote:YOu probably can play an Ibanez Mikro at a GC. They are 22.5" but have a normal sized nut width that make them easier to play. (Ibanez says 22" and MF has it at 22.5" but it what is a 1/2 inch amongst friends).

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Ibanez

I think that one might feel a little different since it has 24 frets. Wouldn't that make the frets closer together than a 21 fret neck? Either way, I think I'm just going to try out my friend's Squier Mini, but thanks for the suggestion.

Leisureclub · Post by **Leisureclub** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:45 am

dren68 wrote: I think that one might feel a little different since it has 24 frets. Wouldn't that make the frets closer together than a 21 fret neck?

No, it's a really complex formula that I don't understand. I'm also really, really shitty at algebra. http://www.theguitarschool.com/Guitarfretspacing.html

That sums it up. The last 3 to infinity frets will get closer together, until they're so close they might as well not exist in any form playable by a human.

Basically, for any given scale length, the frets will(should) be spaced the same. They only get closer as you add more.

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:16 am

Leisureclub wrote:Basically, for any given scale length, the frets will(should) be spaced the same. They only get closer as you add more.

Right.
The fret spacing is the same, no matter if it's a 3 fret or 30, at least for those same 3 frets

The interval distances between frets is a constant ratio based on the full scale length or one fret to the next, so the ratio distance from the nut to first fret is related to the full scale length, the ratio to the second fret is the same ratio, but instead of the full scale length, you use the full scale - the length of the first fret, and so on. So the first 22 frets of a 22.5" 24 fret neck are exactly the same as all 22 of a 22.5" 22 fret neck. There's just more neck exposed at the body to allow adding frets at that end.

cur · Post by **cur** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:21 pm

Yes the spacing would be the same out at the nut for a same scale guitar neck. A 24 fret strat neck (25.5 scale) is just longer at the heel end than a 21 fret strat neck.

dren68 · Post by **dren68** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:31 pm

Okay, I didn't realize that. Good to know.

Leisureclub wrote:
dren68 wrote: I think that one might feel a little different since it has 24 frets. Wouldn't that make the frets closer together than a 21 fret neck?
No, it's a really complex formula that I don't understand. I'm also really, really shitty at algebra. http://www.theguitarschool.com/Guitarfretspacing.html

That sums it up. The last 3 to infinity frets will get closer together, until they're so close they might as well not exist in any form playable by a human.

Basically, for any given scale length, the frets will(should) be spaced the same. They only get closer as you add more.

That link made my brain hurt.

I'm not sure if I understand it either, but now I know that the first 21 frets are the same on any neck, so that's good enough for me.

cur · Post by **cur** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:40 pm

dren68 wrote: I'm not sure if I understand it either, but now I know that the first 21 frets are the same on any neck, so that's good enough for me.

Only if they are the same scale necks is the spacing the same for the first 21 frets.

dren68 · Post by **dren68** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:45 pm

cur wrote:
dren68 wrote: I'm not sure if I understand it either, but now I know that the first 21 frets are the same on any neck, so that's good enough for me.
Only if they are the same scale necks is the spacing the same for the first 21 frets.

Oh, okay. Now I understand. Thanks.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:51 pm

dots wrote:played aug's '64 mustang which was 22.5", and i didn't care for it.

Could it get teh kurdtz?

Post by **dots** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:10 pm

paul_ wrote:
dots wrote:played aug's '64 mustang which was 22.5", and i didn't care for it.
Could it get teh kurdtz?

if not, at least teh herp.

spookytooth · Post by **spookytooth** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:19 pm

how did you like the Squier Mini? I bought one used a couple of weeks ago and after receiveing a proper setup it's actually a surprisingly nice guitar. The only downside so far is that after having played this guitar for some time every other neck seems gigantic in comparison.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:26 am

Ankhanu wrote:I misspoke, the Squier Mini is 22.75".
Definitely try to borrow your friends' daughter's Mini, seems like the easiest way to test the size.

fuck how do you embed a facebook video

wtf

anyway. those squire minis are awesome.

theshadowofseattle · Post by **theshadowofseattle** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:17 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:
Ankhanu wrote:I misspoke, the Squier Mini is 22.75".
Definitely try to borrow your friends' daughter's Mini, seems like the easiest way to test the size.

fuck how do you embed a facebook video

dren68 · Post by **dren68** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:30 pm

spookytooth wrote:how did you like the Squier Mini? I bought one used a couple of weeks ago and after receiveing a proper setup it's actually a surprisingly nice guitar. The only downside so far is that after having played this guitar for some time every other neck seems gigantic in comparison.

I actually haven't had a chance to play it yet. I forgot to ask him about it, but I'll probably go check it out sometime soon. I'm also wondering if I did have a guitar with a 22.5" neck, if the 24" would be hard to get used to again.

Awstin · Post by **Awstin** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:57 pm

I just got my neck and body for my musiclander build which is a squier mini neck and the whole guitar feels like such a toy lol. It's so small feeling. And to think the originals were a bit smaller then that is crazy. They were definitely made for students.

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:40 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:
Ankhanu wrote:I misspoke, the Squier Mini is 22.75".
Definitely try to borrow your friends' daughter's Mini, seems like the easiest way to test the size.

fuck how do you embed a facebook video

wtf

anyway. those squire minis are awesome.

That's wicked, Carl

dren68 wrote:
spookytooth wrote:how did you like the Squier Mini? I bought one used a couple of weeks ago and after receiveing a proper setup it's actually a surprisingly nice guitar. The only downside so far is that after having played this guitar for some time every other neck seems gigantic in comparison.
I actually haven't had a chance to play it yet. I forgot to ask him about it, but I'll probably go check it out sometime soon. I'm also wondering if I did have a guitar with a 22.5" neck, if the 24" would be hard to get used to again.

Mine hasn't arrived yet, neither. I've had notification of the gig bag arriving, still waiting on the guitar :/

AS for going between scales, it shouldn't be much of a problem. I bounce between 34" and 30" basses, 25.5", 24.75" and 24", and mandolin all the time, your fingers learn what they need to do and recognize the different instruments. You do need to adjust to the new instrument at first, but, your hands learn it, and you're good to go.