Have a picture of a Super Sonic control plate area? UPDATE

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:06 pm

So I sold my silver Super Sonic recently on ebay. Here is the original listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/Squier-Super-So ... 4abdb1a4d0

Anyways, everything went well until I got this email from the buyer this morning.

"You failed to mention that there was a route done to the body of this guitar under the control plate. I bought this because they are becoming collectable, now this one is not worth what I paid. You said in the auction that you did the wiring so there is no way you did not know about this. Question is what do you think should be done about this now! I will await your answer."

I honestly have no idea what he is talking about. I have been under the control plate a few times when I disconnected the second volume pot and hooked both pickups to the first volume pot. I don't remember seeing anything that looked routed out other than the factory route. I remember the inside covered in silver sparkle(minus the heavy gloss) just like the area under the tremolo springs. I don't even think there is room for additional routing since the metal plate isn't very big. Anyways, if anyone has a picture of a Super Sonic(silver would be best) without the control plate on or lifted up, I would really like to see if it looks like what I remember. I also asked the buyer if he could send me a picture so that I could see the area he is referring to. I really was hoping the person that bought the guitar would play and enjoy it rather than just look at it as an investment. Oh well.

BillClay · Post by **BillClay** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:03 pm

Tell him to S some D's

Addam · Post by **Addam** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:06 pm

I think you would notice any extra routing, either way, weird shape/lack of paint/whaterver

Though I've never had a SS, I would guess the control cavity is the same as a left handed Jaguar, as the plate is LH Jag.

Like this, but the angled bit going the other way (up toward the centreline).

sholkham · Post by **sholkham** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:17 pm

BillClay wrote:Tell him to S some D's

+1

I wouldn't have thought that there'd be much space to rout more from under the control plate. You would have noticed the paint loss too.

mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:21 pm

If no one's replied before I get out of work, I'll pop off the control plate from mine and take some pics.

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:24 pm

mixtape · Post by **mixtape** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:36 pm

mkt3000 wrote:If no one's replied before I get out of work, I'll pop off the control plate from mine and take some pics.

Gonna beat you to it.

Here's what mine looks like under the control plate. It's been rewired for new pups and a coil split, but my tech didn't reroute anything, so this is what the factory route ought to look like. As others have said before me, it would be pretty easy to tell if the edges were sloppy-looking or the finish was hacked up.

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mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:52 pm

Haha, awesome. More postwork beer time for me.

Anyway, I can vouch for that, since that's what mine looks like as well.

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:46 pm

BillClay wrote:Tell him to S some D's

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:51 pm

taylornutt wrote:

Thanks for the pic. That looks like what I remember. It was over a year ago, but there really isn't any room for extra routing since the metal cover doesn't overlap the route very much to begin with. I don't remember seeing any raw wood either. I'll see if he sends some pictures.

sholkham · Post by **sholkham** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:14 pm

I've seen a few people online say that the practice of people asking for part refunds on items for invented flaws is becoming more common so if he suggests that I'd be suspicious

mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:13 am

BillClay wrote:Tell him to S some D's

This.

Oh, and at $450, after ebay and payapl fees, you probably would've done better selling it here.

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:38 pm

Well the guy sent me a picture of the control area. I see what he's talking about but I honestly don't remember that. I'm not saying it wasn't there, but looking at the picture I wouldn't have even thought twice if I did see it. That would be such a small issue that it wouldn't even have been an issue. Here is the email he sent along with the picture.

"It looks as though the route was done to accommodate the input jack, which I am guessing is not original either. It is not significant but as far a the stand point of it being a collectable is now diminished.

I assure you this would not have been purchased by me if I had know about this before hand. Either the guitar needs to be sent back and money completely refunded or some portion of money needs to be refunded.

Please let me know what you think. "

I personally think he is making a mountain out of a molehill. Whatever routing was done was looks to be done very well. The distance between the screw hole an the cavity edge looks to be nearly the same as the stock photo. There is even a very slim remote possibility that it was done at the factory. I have seen slight factory mods like this on other guitars. He did not ask any questions about the guitar and the guitar add clearly states that it does not have the original pickup and the back plate might not be the original one. Seems the missing original pickups "diminish it's collectibility"(

) more. The price he paid was middle of the road. If I had the money, I would gladly buy the guitar back(minus shipping,paypal and ebay fees). I sold it because it was my most valuable guitar(my main guitar is worth maybe $50) and the short scale didn't work with a low A# tuning unless I used super thick ass strings. Was my favorite guitar though. Anyways, I think I'm going to tell him that if he is not happy with his guitar(he was before he looked under the plate) he should sell it and ask for more pictures/ask more questions if he is trying to buy something as a collectable.

What do you guys think?????

Thanks

Stuart · Post by **Stuart** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:54 pm

BillClay wrote:Tell him to S some D's

This.

A contract is a contract. You didn't say anything about routing under the control plate in the ad. You wouldn't be in breach even if there was a tonne of messy routing under there.

It probably is a factory fix. And is it really going to diminish value that much? I mean that is an empirical matter but I doubt it.

This guy is clown

Stuart · Post by **Stuart** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:56 pm

Plus if that is the kind of shit you care about and it is not mentioned in the ad, you should email asking for a photo with the pickguard and control plate removed. He has no right to assume anything other than what you have told him to be true.

mixtape · Post by **mixtape** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:58 pm

If the dude wanted a collectible, he would have bought one with the stock pickups, which your listing clearly states that you changed, as well as a back plate he could be sure was original. According to this thread, the route does decrease the value more than the pickups, but once it's not stock, it's not stock, and this clown should have actually read the listing before he dropped 450 bones on it and started being a dick. $450 is a bargain for a Super-Sonic in good condition. He can get that much back without breaking a sweat if he sells it on.

But you ought to buy it back if you can. Not because he's right, but because he doesn't deserve a guitar that cool.

HNB · Post by **HNB** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:01 am

Have him send it back to you and trade it to me for something I have. I still need one of those and I don't care about that rout nonsense. LOL

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:26 am

The collectible argument is a joke.

That is a bizarre cut and I can't think of any reason to make it. I don't buy the buyers input jack theory. It's doesn't seem to sever any purpose.

I am not making an acquisition, be He could have done that with a dremel tool, though it is so clean it almost looks factory because the sparkle paint is not mangled in any way. I have a hard time believing you opened up the guitar and don't remember seeing that because the bare wood next to the sparkle paint that sticks out so much.

I just think you she tell him to return the guitar because the whole thing seems a little fishy to me.

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:01 am

taylornutt wrote:The collectible argument is a joke.

That is a bizarre cut and I can't think of any reason to make it. I don't buy the buyers input jack theory. It's doesn't seem to sever any purpose.

I am not making an acquisition, be He could have done that with a dremel tool, though it is so clean it almost looks factory because the sparkle paint is not mangled in any way. I have a hard time believing you opened up the guitar and don't remember seeing that because the bare wood next to the sparkle paint that sticks out so much.

I just think you she tell him to return the guitar because the whole thing seems a little fishy to me.

I agree with just about everything. One thing to keep in mind is that it had been over a year since I was in there(maybe longer but less than 2). I bought the guitar, brought it home and immediately disconnected the second volume knob. I always disconnect the tone knob and remove the rear plate on my guitars also as soon as they come home. That slight route/sanding of that area wouldn't even have made me blink an eye. I would buy the guitar back minus paypal and ebay fees and he would have to pay shipping but I don't have the money because I used it for a bass rig and I doubt he would spend $50 to ship(that's what I paid) and then only get a refund of about $385(which is what I cleared).
I think he got a super cool guitar in WAY above average condition, with a great set of non original pickups and an extremely minimal and well done alteration to the inside of a cavity for an average price. It's not a fifty's Les Paul or some ultra valuable historic guitar that he is going to make tons of profit on like he might have thought. Who knows what he was thinking.

More opinions please.

BillClay · Post by **BillClay** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:47 am

eBay is probably gonna side with him, you gotta just refund that shit. It doesn't matter whether or not his argument about devaluing is valid or not, or whether he's too dumb to realize what a good deal he got. none of us dudes bought that guitar: he did and if he's unhappy for some shitty reason, you gotta refund him.

Actually, he probably just wants you to offer to knock 100 bucks off to avoid a complete refund and getting hosed on shipping. I say suck it up, refund it, and sell the guitar to some non chodes.