Have a picture of a Super Sonic control plate area? UPDATE
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Tell him to send it back to you and that you'll refund him when it arrives. Usually you won't have to pay for the shipping, that's his problem. Be sure when you send the reply you note trhat the guotar was clearly listed as having modifications (just on the off chance he goes the Paypal claim route)
My mate got a guitar from Oz that was destroyed in transit. He had to claim via Paypal (which he won cos the packing was a joke) but Paypal said that the protection they offer only covers the goods, even if you get something that's not as described you'll usually have to pay to ship it back to the seller and you don't usually get the initial shipping back if you make a claim.
Tell him to send it back and you'll issue a refund, minus shipping.
My mate got a guitar from Oz that was destroyed in transit. He had to claim via Paypal (which he won cos the packing was a joke) but Paypal said that the protection they offer only covers the goods, even if you get something that's not as described you'll usually have to pay to ship it back to the seller and you don't usually get the initial shipping back if you make a claim.
Tell him to send it back and you'll issue a refund, minus shipping.
I think this guy is either angling for free money back or does't like the guitar and wants to get his money back. The collector bullshit is total nonsense.
Stay professional, mention that it was listed as having mods but DON'T then go on to mention how that negates his collector bullshit - just say about the mods and leave it at that - this is in case it does go via the ebay complaint route. Don't be inflammatory, take the higher ground.
To be honest Id take control: Don't offer money off, don't even give your reasons, just give him an either/or choice:
1) You'll refund him the full amount however he'll need to ship back.
"2) he keeps it as is, sold as a modded guitar sight-seen. I might be wrong but that cavity is the same distance from the screw hole? And what the hell kind of jack was used that would need a bigger route - they're pretty much all the same. I reckon factory adjustment after the CNC machine spit something out a bit wrong.
I think the real issue here though is you're stuck with no money and you're trying to figure out how not make refund....it doesn't leave you with a lot of choices. If you can't refund him and just end the issue then he basically holds all the cards.
Stay professional, mention that it was listed as having mods but DON'T then go on to mention how that negates his collector bullshit - just say about the mods and leave it at that - this is in case it does go via the ebay complaint route. Don't be inflammatory, take the higher ground.
To be honest Id take control: Don't offer money off, don't even give your reasons, just give him an either/or choice:
1) You'll refund him the full amount however he'll need to ship back.
"2) he keeps it as is, sold as a modded guitar sight-seen. I might be wrong but that cavity is the same distance from the screw hole? And what the hell kind of jack was used that would need a bigger route - they're pretty much all the same. I reckon factory adjustment after the CNC machine spit something out a bit wrong.
I think the real issue here though is you're stuck with no money and you're trying to figure out how not make refund....it doesn't leave you with a lot of choices. If you can't refund him and just end the issue then he basically holds all the cards.
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wadeaminute
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I just popped two of mine to check (the ones that I haven't change to one-piece guards) and they were both routed out. Doesn't help you, though, because they have both been modded with three-way switches there and the my repair guys must have made more room.
Yes, I have a collection of them, but not because they are "collectible". They are mod-able and playable. I was never happy with them stock. Great bodies, necks, neck plate, and even tuners. Everything else can swapped out.
Yes, I have a collection of them, but not because they are "collectible". They are mod-able and playable. I was never happy with them stock. Great bodies, necks, neck plate, and even tuners. Everything else can swapped out.
A Whole Bunch of Guitars. Some with sparkles. Some with Pearl. Some with racing stripes.
There's no way to tell if he actually did that after receiving the guitar. Save all messages and save a pdf of the actual item page/description. Let him file a claim, when you get an email from paypal - CALL PAYPAL and talk to a human about the issue - explain that the guitar was not ever sold as an all original and he didn't even ask about it.
Key here, is to actually call paypal - it works.
What I would tell him right now is that $450 is a good price for a Supersonic and if he wanted an all original one, he should have inquired about it.
Also, do you have pics of the guitar just as you shipped it?
Sometimes if buyers send shit back, they like to fuck it up if they are pissed off. Then they get their money and you get nothing. I had this happen with a small solid state lafayette amp, the thing supposedly showed up broken and when i got it back the thing was DESTROYED. luckily i was covered via pics of how i shipped it and came out on top.
Key here, is to actually call paypal - it works.
What I would tell him right now is that $450 is a good price for a Supersonic and if he wanted an all original one, he should have inquired about it.
Also, do you have pics of the guitar just as you shipped it?
Sometimes if buyers send shit back, they like to fuck it up if they are pissed off. Then they get their money and you get nothing. I had this happen with a small solid state lafayette amp, the thing supposedly showed up broken and when i got it back the thing was DESTROYED. luckily i was covered via pics of how i shipped it and came out on top.
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Well I sent him this email yesterday.
"Vince,
I'm a little puzzled. I see what you are talking about now in the photo. It had been about a year and a half or two since I was in there and disconnected the second volume knob. That "route" job is so incredibly minor(and well done) that I wouldn't have even thought twice let alone remembered it. There is even the possibility that it could have been done by the factory. I have seen several new guitars with slight factory modifications like that in the past. It is so well done that I believe it's certainly possible. Who knows for sure? I just don't understand how you could make such a deal over that. My description of the guitar in the original ad was 100% honest and accurate. I even said at the end of the description "if you have any questions, just ask". If you were so concerned with originality or inspection of cavities, you could have just asked for me to take some pictures. If you had not bought the guitar, someone else would have. It sold for an average price. I don't know how collectable you think they are. That guitar is in better condition than easily 90% of the Super Sonics that have sold on ebay over the last year. I have seen just about every one. You bought yourself are really nice guitar. You could play it or sell it. You shouldn't have any problem selling it for what you paid.
I would totally buy it off of you IF I had the money. I sold that guitar because I needed a bass amp and cab. Maybe in a few months when money isn't so tight, I would consider buying it back. "
This is the reply I got back from him.
"BULLSHIT!"
Nothing else. With that response, there is no way in hell he is getting a cent from me. I will call PayPal and explain. Going over Ebay's buyer protection section, it seems he is SOL. They do not cover buyers remorse. If the item was damaged, or if he ordered a hat and got a glove, or if it was not as described, then maybe he would have a shot. I don't know what his real problem is. Another thing is that he left a positive feedback saying "Fast shipping and honest. Cannot ask for better" 4 or 5 days after receiving the guitar. I did not actually even spend the money until after receiving the positive feedback. Then 9 days after that, I get the email about the routing to the cavity. I hope this is a little entertaining and also a warning of what could happen if you sell something on ebay to an unknown buyer.
On another note, looking at the picture carefully, the bare wood routed section doesn't go all the way down to the bottom of the cavity. Looks to be only about a 1/2" - 3/4" deep. The distance from the screw hole to the edge of the routed area looks to be the exact same as it is on the photo of the black Super Sonic photo and without that extra routed area, it looks like the hole for the input jack would be very, very close. Makes me lean a little more towards a factory alteration.
"Vince,
I'm a little puzzled. I see what you are talking about now in the photo. It had been about a year and a half or two since I was in there and disconnected the second volume knob. That "route" job is so incredibly minor(and well done) that I wouldn't have even thought twice let alone remembered it. There is even the possibility that it could have been done by the factory. I have seen several new guitars with slight factory modifications like that in the past. It is so well done that I believe it's certainly possible. Who knows for sure? I just don't understand how you could make such a deal over that. My description of the guitar in the original ad was 100% honest and accurate. I even said at the end of the description "if you have any questions, just ask". If you were so concerned with originality or inspection of cavities, you could have just asked for me to take some pictures. If you had not bought the guitar, someone else would have. It sold for an average price. I don't know how collectable you think they are. That guitar is in better condition than easily 90% of the Super Sonics that have sold on ebay over the last year. I have seen just about every one. You bought yourself are really nice guitar. You could play it or sell it. You shouldn't have any problem selling it for what you paid.
I would totally buy it off of you IF I had the money. I sold that guitar because I needed a bass amp and cab. Maybe in a few months when money isn't so tight, I would consider buying it back. "
This is the reply I got back from him.
"BULLSHIT!"
Nothing else. With that response, there is no way in hell he is getting a cent from me. I will call PayPal and explain. Going over Ebay's buyer protection section, it seems he is SOL. They do not cover buyers remorse. If the item was damaged, or if he ordered a hat and got a glove, or if it was not as described, then maybe he would have a shot. I don't know what his real problem is. Another thing is that he left a positive feedback saying "Fast shipping and honest. Cannot ask for better" 4 or 5 days after receiving the guitar. I did not actually even spend the money until after receiving the positive feedback. Then 9 days after that, I get the email about the routing to the cavity. I hope this is a little entertaining and also a warning of what could happen if you sell something on ebay to an unknown buyer.On another note, looking at the picture carefully, the bare wood routed section doesn't go all the way down to the bottom of the cavity. Looks to be only about a 1/2" - 3/4" deep. The distance from the screw hole to the edge of the routed area looks to be the exact same as it is on the photo of the black Super Sonic photo and without that extra routed area, it looks like the hole for the input jack would be very, very close. Makes me lean a little more towards a factory alteration.
I think that positive feedback may change everything. It sure sounds like buyers remorse from here.
Unfortunately, I don't think your long winded reply was very professional in nature, if not a bit rude. You argued the collectibility angle and kind of talked down to him on matters of opinion. Also he shouldn't need to know what you spent his money on, or that you no longer have it. This might give him leverage that you are making light of his claims simply because you don't have the cash to refund him. (what would happen is paypal would refund him from your account, which would be suspended until you put the money back in there to make a $0 balance. - I learned this from experience unfortunately)
Did a quick edit job on your email, to show what I would have sent, for future reference if anything:
"I see what you are talking about now in the photo. That route is very minor and clean; it is possible that it could have been done by the factory. I have seen several new guitars with slight factory modifications like that in the past-keep in mind this is a Squier and was not a high end guitar when it was first sold. The quality control of inexpensive guitars is not always up there and that is not my fault. In any case, I didn't make the route, and did not even notice it when I was in there over a year ago to disconnect the second volume, but there were no modifications done to my knowledge that would necessitate that route which is another reason I'd lean towards factory. My description of the guitar in the original ad was 100% honest and accurate to the best of my knowledge-I offered to answer any questions, and would have taken pictures of any specified area if asked. Considering the guitar was sold with "no returns or exchanges", it would have been wise to ask these questions buying the guitar if routing was a deciding factor to you-after all this is now a 16 year old guitar and I am not the original owner.
If you have a look at completed listings, you'll see $450 is a good price for a Super Sonic with so few blemishes. However these guitars are not worth that much more in any condition, and a small clean route in the control cavity is hardly going to affect resale value. These are uncommon guitars and are likely to only appreciate in value in any condition. I'm sorry you feel this way but you bought a nice guitar for a great price. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking from me at this point"
Unfortunately, I don't think your long winded reply was very professional in nature, if not a bit rude. You argued the collectibility angle and kind of talked down to him on matters of opinion. Also he shouldn't need to know what you spent his money on, or that you no longer have it. This might give him leverage that you are making light of his claims simply because you don't have the cash to refund him. (what would happen is paypal would refund him from your account, which would be suspended until you put the money back in there to make a $0 balance. - I learned this from experience unfortunately)
Did a quick edit job on your email, to show what I would have sent, for future reference if anything:
"I see what you are talking about now in the photo. That route is very minor and clean; it is possible that it could have been done by the factory. I have seen several new guitars with slight factory modifications like that in the past-keep in mind this is a Squier and was not a high end guitar when it was first sold. The quality control of inexpensive guitars is not always up there and that is not my fault. In any case, I didn't make the route, and did not even notice it when I was in there over a year ago to disconnect the second volume, but there were no modifications done to my knowledge that would necessitate that route which is another reason I'd lean towards factory. My description of the guitar in the original ad was 100% honest and accurate to the best of my knowledge-I offered to answer any questions, and would have taken pictures of any specified area if asked. Considering the guitar was sold with "no returns or exchanges", it would have been wise to ask these questions buying the guitar if routing was a deciding factor to you-after all this is now a 16 year old guitar and I am not the original owner.
If you have a look at completed listings, you'll see $450 is a good price for a Super Sonic with so few blemishes. However these guitars are not worth that much more in any condition, and a small clean route in the control cavity is hardly going to affect resale value. These are uncommon guitars and are likely to only appreciate in value in any condition. I'm sorry you feel this way but you bought a nice guitar for a great price. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking from me at this point"
Last edited by Nick on Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
EDIT: Just saw what you were saying about those routes...I would send him those pictures side by side explaining your logic...it certainly makes sense to me, especially if the pot needs to sit there under the factory pickguard. Show eBay/paypal too if it comes to that. Completely takes the wind out of his sails.
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[quote="bubbastain"]So I sold my silver Super Sonic recently on ebay. Here is the original listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/Squier-Super-So ... 4abdb1a4d0
Man, that is a smoking hot SS for $450.00! I watched that auction and was surprised that it sold so low and disapointed that I didn't bid on it! What a fucking ingrate! Let him go fuck himself.
Man, that is a smoking hot SS for $450.00! I watched that auction and was surprised that it sold so low and disapointed that I didn't bid on it! What a fucking ingrate! Let him go fuck himself.
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