Stoner Rock Fuzz ?

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:53 pm

Started listening to a lot of Stoner rock / Fuzz music. Band called 'Sleep' for example.

What's the ultimate fuzz for this ?

i.e. Good for chords and lead combined.

I have a superfuzz, despite loving it and knowing it's uses... I want another better all rounder ?

George · Post by **George** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:58 pm

what's his chops did a video (daftsupernova?) of the cool cat peach fuzz clone. it sounded like really reliable fuzz perfect for this stuff.

George · Post by **George** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:02 pm

http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49355

dub · Post by **dub** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:44 pm

I'm not sure there is a "perfect" sludge/doom pedal. You can really get there with any equipment, just has to be loud.
A lot of the southern sludge bands used metal style amps and pedals, it's really just about feeling it. In every fibre of your body.

That said:

Black Arts Pharoah. Big Muff with a Baxandall style tone stack and clipping options. Pretty versatile, and tuned towards that chewy matamp tone (see also the EQD Monarch Overdrive if you're looking for that Orange/Matamp thing)

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Colorsound One Knob / Fuzzface Type Clones:

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I generally just run a dirty germanium boost, all the time. Sabbath Styles. Although its almost unneccessary the times I really get to crank my amp, most of my pickups are quite hot.

I do have a superfuzz that I'm very attached to, a later model grey and black with the huge footpedal (sounds like this), I think the octave is less pronounced or something because it (sometimes) plays nice with more complex chords. That's about the only fuzz I ever use, even though I have far too many of the silly things cluttering up my closet. I just bought a smallsound/bibsound Superpuzzle. Which is a Superfuzz with a blend between the two fuzz modes, a hicut, footswitchable octave and some clipping options. Still figuring that one out... not altogether sure why I needed that.

luciguci · Post by **luciguci** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:25 am

The best fuzz for stoner rock is a big muff style fuzz in front of an overdriven tube amp.
The Danelectro Fuzz is perfect for that; unity gain is around 9:00, it has separate bass and treble controls, input gain trim pot to adjust your maximum amount of gain, and DIP switches for different clipping modes.

I just played with it right now and it sounds fucking squishy and sludgy when i had my anp cranked, and nice and smooth played clean. Versatile, and cheap, in case you don't feel like spending your money on the Pharoah. Got one for 30 bucks.

HNB · Post by **HNB** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:28 am

I like my mayo style Joker muff for that kind of fuzz. My germanium modded Muff overdrive would be good for a thicker heavy sound, but full chords are a bit much for that vs my mayo.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:01 am

I think a lot of this depends on your Amp. If you are using an Amp that breaks up early (like Orange TTs, Marshall DSL's) then Fuzz might be too much. With low tuning too much gain can make things too muddy.
With a clean valve head we got good results with a Big Muff, Dano Fuzz. On the modern Orange and Marshall heads it didn't work, too fizzy and we ended up using Overdrive off the Amps or pedals.

aen · Post by **aen** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:38 pm

I know which one is best, but I'm not allowed to talk about them outside te whorehouse.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:09 pm

aen wrote:I know which one is best, but I'm not allowed to talk about them outside te whorehouse.

Just say it. I dare you, I double dare you...

sp3k · Post by **sp3k** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:12 pm

Fran wrote:I think a lot of this depends on your Amp. If you are using an Amp that breaks up early (like Orange TTs, Marshall DSL's) then Fuzz might be too much. With low tuning too much gain can make things too muddy.
With a clean valve head we got good results with a Big Muff, Dano Fuzz. On the modern Orange and Marshall heads it didn't work, too fizzy and we ended up using Overdrive off the Amps or pedals.

This! for a long time I had trouble getting a good sound from an amp that wasn't tolttaly clean a fuzz. If the amp isn't really clean, like a twin or a 50 plus watts amp, them forget fuzz. Get a a boost or an overdrive and just keep the distortion on the pedal not to high. A big muff will also work great, but the distortion knob has to be really low. I prefer russian muffs, or if you want something that gives you more control get a dwarfcraft eau claire thunder or a blackout effectors musket.
I really didn't like the paraoh, lots of sounds but only one that i likes, stoke russian muff sound...

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:34 pm

For that kind of gear, I favour the Ampeg Scrambler. Timbo of this parish makes a grand (loud) clone. You can blend plenty of your clean signal through, which translates to bass strings. You can also tune the octave out, to a very chord-friendly overdrive-y fuzz. Very much recommended. Would offer you a lend if I wasn't playing it so much...

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:59 pm

sp3k wrote:Get a a boost or an overdrive and just keep the distortion on the pedal not to high.

Agreed, the EHX LPB1 worked well with the TT. Anything more would have been insanity.

aen · Post by **aen** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:09 pm

Fran wrote:
aen wrote:I know which one is best, but I'm not allowed to talk about them outside te whorehouse.
Just say it. I dare you, I double dare you...

DS1!

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:53 pm

aen wrote:
Fran wrote:
aen wrote:I know which one is best, but I'm not allowed to talk about them outside te whorehouse.
Just say it. I dare you, I double dare you...
DS1!

Hahahahha..

luciguci · Post by **luciguci** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:15 am

Well, after listening to the entirety of Dopesmoker by Sleep and playing some of it, I can easily say that a Danelectro Fuzz with the third switch turned on, bass at 3:00, treble at 10:00-11:00, gain at 1:00, volume above unity gain into an slightly dirty amp, bass turned up and treble at noonish. Mids go wherever you like it.

Sloan · Post by **Sloan** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:39 am

Don't spend more than $50. Build a Bazz Fuss.

luciguci · Post by **luciguci** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:07 am

Sloan wrote:Don't spend more than $50. Build a Bazz Fuss.

Well, Dano pedals are cheap used. But yeah, Bazz Fuss is also awesome for stoner rock.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:56 am

Kim loved her Bass Muff for a stonery/doom fuzz on guitar IIRC?

I second George's suggestion on the original phase Cool Cat Peach knockoff if you can get one. Fits the described bill perfectly over both dirty and clean base sounds, for chords and leads. It's never too extreme, more usable travel on the tone dial for me, especially compared to my other cheap fuzzes (Behringer VD-1 Muff and Dano French Toast in non-octave mode). Plus it's cheap and sturdily built.

luciguci · Post by **luciguci** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:58 am

paul_ wrote:Kim loved her Bass Muff for a stonery/doom fuzz on guitar IIRC?

I second George's suggestion on the original phase Cool Cat Peach knockoff if you can get one. Fits the described bill perfectly over both dirty and clean base sounds, for chords and leads. It's never too extreme, more usable travel on the tone dial for me, especially compared to my other cheap fuzzes (Behringer VD-1 Muff and Dano French Toast in non-octave mode). Plus it's cheap and sturdily built.

The one he spoke of was the one in my thread/video, which is the second version, which is not the Peach Fuzz clone.

ultratwin · Post by **ultratwin** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:10 am

Consider this scoooooooped Muff-type. The bass frequencies are a bit overbearing, but it can sludge with the best of them.

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