daftsupernova wrote:Corksniffing aside, I think the Mooer sounded better than the RAT2. Sounded really close to the old RAT. Now I want to hear a comparison of the Triangle Buff with a triangle Big Muff.
Also I wanna know what would be ideal settings for the muffrat sound, because that sounds pretty great.
You need to keep the rat backed off a little, keep the filter just past 12 and compensate for any brightness with the tone control on the muff. I had the sustain almost cranked on my muff when i did it, and I had the gain on the rat relatively low (By itself, it was my lighter drive sound).
Although, the amp that you're using will depend a lot on settings. That's just how I had mine set up with an AC30.
BONKDATE: slightly shady seller failed to get the first one to arrive, so sent me out a 'replacement' and asked me to 'let him know if the first one arrives':
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Aaaaanyhow, it's very good. As previously noted, I've had two Rats before (OG Rat 2 and modded recent reissue) but could never fall in love with Rats. It was hearing that Rats work so well with AC15s that nudged me into buying this one. It's very good, sounds like a great Rat. As per the demos on the previous page, it's quite bassy, which I like. It's taken a long time for the penny to drop, but it's the low gain sounds I like on the Rat - gain at about 9 o'clock, filter at about 3 seems my ideal. As I took the gain up, I had to back off the filter a bit each time. But I really liked it. Dead good.
yeah, Watts, Rats and Vox are a magical combination. I am more pro Turbo Rat than Rat II at the moment. It seems like like it has more note clarity if that makes any sort of sense. This Mooer pedal looks pretty cool as my main problem with rats is their weight.
Ratmuff sound is the sound of Sonic Youth from Goo until their recent "hiatus".
I think I'd prefer to get modern Rat second hand than this Mooer pedal (unless the latter sounds more like an early Rat?). A second hand Rat goes for about £40 on ebay in UK.
So you'd prefer to pay the same price for 1/3rd the options? I mean: when even the Biyang Mouse can get the classic RAT chip in it but the modern RAT can't....then why the fuck would buy the thing that does less AND doesn't even have 'the' classic chip? The Mooer may or may not have the right chip but effectively you're getting 2 or three RAT equivalents in it. Makes no sense other than from a blind brand loyalty perspective.
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Dave wrote:So you'd prefer to pay the same price for 1/3rd the options? I mean: when even the Biyang Mouse can get the classic RAT chip in it but the modern RAT can't....then why the fuck would buy the thing that does less AND doesn't even have 'the' classic chip? The Mooer may or may not have the right chip but effectively you're getting 2 or three RAT equivalents in it. Makes no sense other than from a blind brand loyalty perspective.
Less can be more, as the saying goes. The filter knob is very good. 3 knobs can be enough. And if I want something different sounding to a Rat, I use a different pedal.
Plus the Rats have really strong, meaty casings.
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Oh, and a branded Rat is more re-sellable and holds its value better than say a Biyang, Mooer or other Far East cheap brands.
Some of that seems valid but I don't really get the 'Rat Sound' bit: the modern rat doesn't have THE Rat sound. The Biyang (providing you get the one with the right capacitor) is the 'real' deal. So you getting less-is-not-more. If you were talking a classic actual RAT i'd agree: providing you only want it to do one thing and do it the best then that's a fine idea. modern RAT doesn't really achieve that though whereas the Biyang does and the Mooer offers comparable tone and more options if you want to tinker outside of one tone.
The resale value thing is fine but then if you were buying something for doing one thing the best is that a huge concern? I could pick up a second hand Biyang with correct chip AND the option for Turbo rat for 25 quid. I could resell it for 25 quid. I could buy a modern RAT without the right chip to do a non-classic RAT tone for 40/50 quid second hand and sell it agian for such. You could buy it new for whatever price it is and then sell it second hand for a loss. I'm failing to see where the money issue benefits buying a RAT. A biyang might be slower in finding a buyer perhaps? I'm actively seeking one now! If I was selling one I would put all the info I know about in the advert. i recon I'd shift it quick enough to make my 25 quid back only marginally slower than making my 40 back on a modern RAT.
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Dave wrote:Some of that seems valid but I don't really get the 'Rat Sound' bit: the modern rat doesn't have THE Rat sound. The Biyang (providing you get the one with the right capacitor) is the 'real' deal. So you getting less-is-not-more. If you were talking a classic actual RAT i'd agree: providing you only want it to do one thing and do it the best then that's a fine idea. modern RAT doesn't really achieve that though whereas the Biyang does and the Mooer offers comparable tone and more options if you want to tinker outside of one tone.
The resale value thing is fine but then if you were buying something for doing one thing the best is that a huge concern? I could pick up a second hand Biyang with correct chip AND the option for Turbo rat for 25 quid. I could resell it for 25 quid. I could buy a modern RAT without the right chip to do a non-classic RAT tone for 40/50 quid second hand and sell it agian for such. You could buy it new for whatever price it is and then sell it second hand for a loss. I'm failing to see where the money issue benefits buying a RAT. A biyang might be slower in finding a buyer perhaps? I'm actively seeking one now! If I was selling one I would put all the info I know about in the advert. i recon I'd shift it quick enough to make my 25 quid back only marginally slower than making my 40 back on a modern RAT.
I think you're changing the goalposts somewhat in your second paragraph. The discussion I was responding was about the cost of a new Biyang or a new Mooer and them being equivalent to the cost of a second-hand modern Rat, and my re-sale comment was in that context. A new Biyang would lose money on re-sale; the 2H Rat probably wouldn't.
Incidentally, my preferred modern Rat version is the You Dirty One one.
