is there something i'm missing about this guitar cab?

George · Post by **George** » Thu May 16, 2013 2:41 pm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_g212_vintage.htm

closed back plywood 212 with two celestion vintage 30s for Â£160?

they retail for Â£80 each! so are they like sub-standard or low tier versions or something? i don't get it.

unfortunately i'd be looking to get a Mustang V head which is stereo 75w per speaker. but i could possibly flip them and buy some eminences maybe.

mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Thu May 16, 2013 2:59 pm

Cab manufacturers don't pay anywhere close to retail price for the speakers (same as some guitar manufacturers for SD pickups, Floyd Roses, etc). Depending on the retailers markup and Celestion's markup, they could be paying less than half what the speakers go for retail.

johnnyseven · Post by **johnnyseven** » Thu May 16, 2013 3:16 pm

That is a steal at that price.

Re the cab rating. I have a Marshall 2 x 12 with 1 Vintage 30 and a Greenback, at the gig I played this past weekend I played my Bassman 50 through it at 4.5 as it was a big room and it wasn't mic'd - it was phenominally loud. Unless you're planning to blow your head off or play very large venues the cab as it is would probably be sufficient.

George · Post by **George** » Thu May 16, 2013 3:19 pm

ah okay, so unless i'm playing really really loud, it won't matter if i've got 75w going into 60w?

George · Post by **George** » Thu May 16, 2013 3:37 pm

might pull the trigger on this and get a new mustang v head

i'm definitely leaning toward a 212 or 210 with head setup for weight and stuff, and it'll be like Â£400 all in new

sp3k · Post by **sp3k** » Thu May 16, 2013 4:31 pm

I have one, I love it, and eveyone that plays it doesn't believe that it has vintage 30's sounds so good and costs so little...

I broke both speakers buy playing 2octave down and drum tracks and noise, send it back and they put new speakers and didn't charge a thing...

George · Post by **George** » Thu May 16, 2013 4:40 pm

that's awesome haha

so it sounds good then? how about the weight and construction?

Freddy V-C · Post by **Freddy V-C** » Thu May 16, 2013 5:27 pm

I used one of these for a couple of years and it was great, never had any problems with it whatsoever!

Post by **Doog** » Thu May 16, 2013 5:32 pm

It makes me pine for my Marshall 2x12; 1x12s are great, but another speaker and a bigger enclosure go a loooooooooooong way.

George · Post by **George** » Thu May 16, 2013 6:52 pm

hmm just wondering if I'm going to break my back with this thing. listed as 25kg, same as my old mesa nomad 55 (piece of shit). plus the added dimensions!

other than that i think it's a done deal

Concretebadger · Post by **Concretebadger** » Thu May 16, 2013 6:59 pm

George wrote:hmm just wondering if I'm going to break my back with this thing. listed as 25kg, same as my old mesa nomad 55 (piece of shit). plus the added dimensions!

other than that i think it's a done deal

From what I can see judging by my own shopping around for a 2x12, the weight issue is par for the course...at least this has carrying handles at both ends, unlike the single handle of many 1x12 guitar combos of similar weight.

If it really does turn out to be a pile of crappy matchwood, you will at least have a pair of V30s to load into something else. Looks like a sensible buy to me.

Post by **Doog** » Thu May 16, 2013 7:05 pm

George wrote: my old mesa nomad 55 (piece of shit)

WUT

My buddy had one of these, I thought it sounded great. Why all the hate in 2008?

George · Post by **George** » Thu May 16, 2013 7:19 pm

very dark sounding. channel 1 couldn't get good cleans at all. channel 2 (mid-gain) channel sounded dull and lifeless. channel 3 did that fantastic rectifier liquid gain but it wasn't what i was after. too little too late.

and it didn't take pedals too well.

i think sloan hates them too iirc

sp3k · Post by **sp3k** » Thu May 16, 2013 7:25 pm

it's not that heavy. For to people to carry it's really easy, to carry it by yourself it's not that easy more from the size not the weight.

I'm actually buying another one when i have the chance. hat way I can play a 4x12 and only carry a 2x12 to shows. The think is well constructed , mine is full of scratches and dings, but I dn't really threat it that nice and have gigged with it a lot.

louis · Post by **louis** » Thu May 16, 2013 9:48 pm

George wrote:might pull the trigger on this and get a new mustang v head

Gabriel · Post by **Gabriel** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:01 pm

Get some wheels and then it won't be an issue. Seriously I've lugged my annoyingly heavy Rivera combo on that trolley and it's super easy, the only problem is when you reach a set of stairs.

johnnyseven · Post by **johnnyseven** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:37 pm

I'd put some castors on the bottom, it's a pretty easy job. I'd bolt them through the bottom of the cab though, drill through the bottom of the cab and secure with a nut on the inside. My Marshall 2x12 had castors that affixed with screws to the bottom of theg cab, when I got it 1 had already been ripped out and re-sited and the others were going the same way.

louis · Post by **louis** » Fri May 17, 2013 12:51 am

Know what I do? Not be a fucking pussy and lift a 4x12 wherever the fuck it needs to go. That or ask for help.

Plus, from experience (my dad lent me his for a festival) that trolley is pretty awesome.

Sloan · Post by **Sloan** » Fri May 17, 2013 12:55 am

Doog wrote:
George wrote: my old mesa nomad 55 (piece of shit)
WUT

My buddy had one of these, I thought it sounded great. Why all the hate in 2008?

Worst fucking amp ever. I traded a goddamn krankenstein for one cause I wanted a combo. Worst fucking deal I jab ever ever ever done. Fuck those amps. Fuck em.

George · Post by **George** » Fri May 17, 2013 7:27 am

louis wrote:Know what I do? Not be a fucking pussy and lift a 4x12 wherever the fuck it needs to go. That or ask for help.

Plus, from experience (my dad lent me his for a festival) that trolley is pretty awesome.

i don't have space in the car or at home for a 412. and i don't think i need that much oomph anyway.

like the look of the trolley. might have to get one of them. hoisting that mesa nomad in my arms was a fucking nightmare