Jagmaster Cap/Pot surf 90's.

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:55 am

I bought a set of GFS Surf 90 Alnico II To put in my Jagmaster. What pots do you recommend, and also what Cap should I use to get the best sound? right now I have 1 meg pots, and an orange drop .47/200w cap. and it sounds kind of muddy.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:12 am

It sounds muddy with the gfs pickups or the factory buckers?

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:16 am

The GFS pickups

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:40 pm

Baffled by that, I have a set of Surf 90s in a Strat body with 1M pots and it sounds too bright, if anything.

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:32 pm

I have decided to put in 250K pots. Thanks for all of your help.

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:45 pm

If 1M sounds muddy, 250k is the opposite of what you want. How do you have them wired?

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:54 pm

I didn't change anything from the original I believe. I just changed the pots/pickups and wired everything back the way it was.

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:32 pm

If you want to hear how it will sound fully turned up with 250k pots, turn your 1M controls down to about 4 out of 10 (since they are log taper). That's not an approximation, it makes the pot resistance 250k and you can hear exactly what it will sound like. My guess is muddy.

Surf 90s are bright pickups and 1M pots is the brightest circuit commonly used on a guitar, so something else is wrong. Since 250k pots make the sound darker than 1M, it's not what you need. Instead you need to experiment with the pickup height, and if you haven't changed strings in a while, you need to do that as well. Having the pickups too close to the strings will make the sound muffled and blurry, and too far from the strings it will sound thin and weak. So experiment with that, is my advice.

Oh - and your amp is half the sound, what are you using?

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:48 pm

I am using a super champ, sometimes clean, sometimes on the fender Tweed Bassman setting. I'm using a tele, and a strat to compare to. I am taking it apart again to take a picture to post to make sure I have the correct wiring. Is photobucket the only thing that works? I tried using my Flickr and it wouldn't display the photo.

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:51 pm

I use Flickr - you just need to right click the picture to get it to display the size you want, then right click the picture and copy its URL.
Before you take it apart, play with the pickup height - you may be surprised!

mike fried · Post by **mike fried** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:05 am

If you are indeed using a .47uF tone cap, it's about 10x too big and would be rolling off more treble than you want it to. The correct value is .022 to .047uF (could be marked 22nF to 47nF, or 223 to 473). The 1meg pot should be fine.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:01 am

.22uF and 500k pots would be my first choice with those Surf 90s.

mike fried · Post by **mike fried** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:43 am

paul_ wrote:.22uF and 500k pots would be my first choice with those Surf 90s.

Paul - again, the decimal point matters! .22uF is 10x bigger than you want for a tone cap.

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:03 pm

I am using 250 pots, with a .022 cap. I'm not digging the sound. I will put in 500 pots and see where it takes me. I also have a treble bleed on there as well.

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:04 pm

Thanks for all of your responses.

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medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:06 pm

awesome Im trying to post a pic but I cant seem to figure it out.

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MattK · Post by **MattK** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm

Click the little "scene" button in the message composer then paste the URL into the box that opens.

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:36 pm

yep thats what Im doing, I even switched from Chrome to Safari to see if it was an issue. I went to my profile and changed my HTML to on, but its still off. Weird.

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:48 am

You seem to have pasted the URL of the discussion thread into the image box. You need to paste the URL of the image.

medicinebleu · Post by **medicinebleu** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:14 pm