Calling SGeniuses. Need help ID'ing an SG.

mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:58 pm

I just found this on offerup for dirt cheap, and I'm trying to ID it.

Seller says it's a refin (which I believe 100%) - just trying to figure out what kind of SG this is.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:20 pm

Dunno but it looks cool

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:32 pm

I thought maybe it was a refinished SG Elite (late 80s model), but it's not. I'd say that's very very fake.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:20 pm

Agreed w/benecol.

It's definitely loaded with "Maestro" parts which was like Gibson's recent Walmart brand. I didn't think it's just a modded Maestro because those had bolt-on maple necks, but after investigating a bit closer I now think it's possible from the neck heel/joint that it's actually one of those that has been converted to set-neck and then wood-filled/sanded down/primer'd over... it certainly has the same tuners they did. The early '70s models that had that sort of [fucking huge] headstock had volutes, and no tilt-back angle on the peghead, they also had vintage diameter strip Klusons. The fingerboard heel on this thing is modern as fuck (not like a Norlin at all) and the truss rod cavity/fret location for the neck joint is wrong for any Gibsons too. It just looks all kinds of wrong, this combination of build-features just as far as the wood parts are concerned never appeared on a Gibson.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:56 pm

^ That. Avoid. lolz at how poorly cut the neck pickup route was.

George · Post by **George** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:37 pm

Headstock doesn't look official.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:17 pm

I reckon it's fake too.

They made some oddball 'Special' stuff in the 70's and 80's to try and make the model more appealing but everything conflicts on this.
I don't recall Gibson ever using those machine heads, the inlays at the twelfth fret are too wide apart (some Japanese companies did this on copies, my Flying V being one example) and why all the extra routing for the sake of a flimsy scratchplate?

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:55 pm

Fran wrote:the inlays at the twelfth fret are too wide apart

Actually Gibsons did have the dots that far apart from the '50s-'70s.

The headstock is ok shape/size wise for the weirdo '70s Gibsons, but without a volute/that neck joint/that squared-off fingerboard end it doesn't go for any that I know of. To the best of my knowledge Gibsons never had an "import" style truss rod cavity like that either. Also worth noting that SGs of the weirdo '70s period did not have bevels on the inner part of the horns (SG bevels weren't truly standardized to where they are now/where this thing is until 1990 or so, on the '60s models they varied from body to body in terms of width and contour)

My '72 SG-II (looks like the classic Poo Brown from the front but is actually a "shop window" Cherry model)

Post by **Doog** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:29 pm

paul_ wrote:
My '72 SG-II (looks like the classic Poo Brown from the front but is actually a "shop window" Cherry model)

Fuck! So nice, never even seen one of these before

dezb1 · Post by **dezb1** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:53 pm

Doog wrote:
paul_ wrote:
My '72 SG-II (looks like the classic Poo Brown from the front but is actually a "shop window" Cherry model)

Fuck! So nice, never even seen one of these before

Reminds me of the Lee Ranaldo model

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:14 pm

That's an SG Deluxe from the same period. I believe the SG Deluxe, along with the Les Paul Deluxe, briefly replaced the "Standard" models in the early '70s before the SG Standard was reintroduced in 1973. These guitars also had a super narrow nut width, similar to A-width Fender (it's the closest feel I have to the Jag-Stang neck on another guitar when you're playing low on the neck).

These are the '72 and '73 SG sections in the Gibson catalog

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:48 pm

mkt3000's been silent for >24 hours about this. Hoping he didn't buy it.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:57 pm

I've never liked SGs, but I do want that one of _paul's.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:04 am

Bacchus wrote:I've never liked SGs, but I do want that one of _paul's.

I actually considered calling an NGD thread that never happened about the SG-II and my '67 Melody Maker "I don't normally like SGs but I'd play that one," as SGs seem to be the number one type of guitar you hear that said about online.

dezb1 · Post by **dezb1** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:40 am

SG's are great I'm just sorry I took so long getting round to buying one.

Also hope mkt didn't buy this one

mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:09 am

dezb1 wrote:Also hope mkt didn't buy this one

I did not.

Although Sam Ash has a used Epiphone Flying V that's talking to me, and there's a Roland JC50 on Craigslist for cheap. So I think I'm locking myself in my apartment this weekend so I don't spend money.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:35 am

haha, the dark side has been tempting you a lot lately. Guessing you didn't go for the Silvertone?

Post by **Doog** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:46 am

paul_ wrote:
Bacchus wrote:I've never liked SGs, but I do want that one of _paul's.
I actually considered calling an NGD thread that never happened about the SG-II and my '67 Melody Maker "I don't normally like SGs but I'd play that one," as SGs seem to be the number one type of guitar you hear that said about online.

Dibs on both

I think it's the extra plates 'n stuff that do it for me on Gibsons; I still lust after a 'Recording' Les Paul

edit: totally RobRoed that img link

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:51 am

paul_ wrote:
Fran wrote:the inlays at the twelfth fret are too wide apart
Actually Gibsons did have the dots that far apart

Thanks for clearing that up Paul.
I don't recall ever seeing any but your picture is proof.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:59 am

dezb1 wrote:SG's are great I'm just sorry I took so long getting round to buying one.

Before I went Fender mad I had about four SGs and a LP Junior. Soundwise they are still my favourite guitars with Teles being close behind.