'Blackface'

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:45 pm

Should we make an effort to stop using this to describe Fender amps of a certain era? Feels weird in 2021. Same with 'brownface'.

"Black/Brown Panel" works just as well and is more descriptive if anything.

Silverface is still ok I think but I might like 'chrome panel' better to keep the terms uniform.

Freddy V-C · Post by **Freddy V-C** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:47 pm

This is something IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve thought about! WasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t sure if I was overthinking it, or if it was just too entrenched in guitar jargon at this point.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:05 pm

I think the famously liberal, keen on new ideas guitar player crowd would be fine with this.

And I agree with you.

plopswagon · Post by **plopswagon** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:11 pm

But I already named my mid 60Ã¢â‚¬â„¢s combos Amos and Andy.

Freddy V-C · Post by **Freddy V-C** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:30 pm

benecol wrote:I think the famously liberal, keen on new ideas guitar player crowd would be fine with this.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:43 pm

SILVER LIVES MATTER

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:45 pm

Replacing face with panel works pretty well.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:46 pm

Does it matter if the blackfaceplate amps are superior to other amps tho?

Like no one wants a 76 Twin or a 89 red knobbies twin

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:20 pm

robroe wrote:Does it matter if the blackfaceplate amps are superior to other amps tho?

Like no one wants a 76 Twin or a 89 red knobbies twin

Rob: FUCK THE POLICE

Also Rob: *literally defends blackface*

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:34 am

Nick wrote:
robroe wrote:Does it matter if the blackfaceplate amps are superior to other amps tho?

Like no one wants a 76 Twin or a 89 red knobbies twin
Rob: FUCK THE POLICE

Also Rob: *literally defends blackaug*

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:11 am

The late 70's Twins that no one wants are ultra-linears, and the red knob ones are the Evil Twin or 'The Twin'.

Those terms are both jargon and not household references by any stretch, whereas 'blackface' and 'brownface' have very universally understood definitions to most people outside of the guitarist bubble. I'm not saying that describing an amp by the 'color' of its 'face' on its own is racist; after all I think the offensive thing about 'blackface' is not the word itself but, you know, actually wearing it. But if you would have to explain to others why the words you're using aren't racist, then maybe just find other words?

kingkiller · Post by **kingkiller** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:04 am

IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve always felt weird calling the amps Ã¢â‚¬Å“blackfaceÃ¢â‚¬Â�, so this is a good idea IMO. I also wonder if phrasing it as Ã¢â‚¬Å“black faceÃ¢â‚¬Â� as opposed to one word would be an acceptable compromise for teh bl00z guys, but I also assume that they hate everything except themselves so.

sunshiner · Post by **sunshiner** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:57 am

Blackface is terrible indeed, I use it and being a non English speaker it didn't jar on my ears/click till this moment. Black panel I think might do.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:46 am

kingkiller wrote:I also wonder if phrasing it as Ã¢â‚¬Å“black faceÃ¢â‚¬Â� as opposed to one word would be an acceptable compromise for teh bl00z guys,.

Yeah, that little pause in the middle would in no way serve as emphasis, like dramatic punctuation. Ten. Million. Dollars.

Post by **Doog** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:59 am

benecol wrote:I think the famously liberal, keen on new ideas guitar player crowd would be fine with this.

And I agree with you.

Park me here also; I too have mulled on this, as well as the whole "blacklist/whitelist" thing which occasionally comes up in my job (although I guess it's a widely-used expression generally). Pretty gross.

BearBoy · Post by **BearBoy** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:00 am

Funnily enough this came to mind a couple of weeks ago and I was thinking how weird it was that the phrase was bandied about without comment. Decided I was probably being over sensitive but maybe not?

So, who's going to start the thread on TGP?

BearBoy · Post by **BearBoy** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:04 am

Doog wrote:the whole "blacklist/whitelist" thing which occasionally comes up in my job (although I guess it's a generic expression).

This comes up a lot at work and I don't recall anyone ever commenting on any negative connotations tbh (and my company is generally very forward thinking on equality etc issues). I think it's basically industry standard terminology at this point though.

Post by **Doog** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:08 am

BearBoy wrote:
Doog wrote:the whole "blacklist/whitelist" thing which occasionally comes up in my job (although I guess it's a generic expression).
This comes up a lot at work and I don't recall anyone ever commenting on any negative connotations tbh (and my company is generally very forward thinking on equality etc issues). I think it's basically industry standard terminology at this point though.

I guess it's removed enough to not immediately make someone think of what it represents.

http://www.adexchanger.com/data-driven ... 0explained.

'Blocklist/includelist' sounds pretty good to me.

BearBoy · Post by **BearBoy** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:15 am

Thanks for the article. Blocklist seems like a good alternative although "Allowlist" reads to me like All Owl List

Post by **Doog** » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:35 am

As if thinking of owls could ever be a bad thing