Please answer my dumbass pickup questions

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:39 pm

i see- because you're WRONG now you're butthurt.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:41 pm

Mike wrote: So your whole argument is you think that the pups are in parallel and it's the volumes that are in serial eh?

you mean series dude - haha serial/parallel, are you a fellow IT geek?

Also it should be easy to tell if your pickups are wired in series - does the output/gain of the guitar double when switching to the middle position??

deadonkey · Post by **deadonkey** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:44 pm

Mike wrote:i see- because you're WRONG now you're butthurt.

only you could turn a discussion from series parallel to personal insults because you're more knowledgeable.

nice one.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:47 pm

Jesus, grow a pair.

You got on the wrong end of an argument and didn't give up even though you were plainly wrong, big deal. I hardly got personal, I called you a "dolt" OMFG and said you got "butthurt", which you did.

How thinskilled are you boyo?

deadonkey · Post by **deadonkey** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:49 pm

Mike wrote:Jesus, grow a pair.

You got on the wrong end of an argument and didn't give up even though you were plainly wrong, big deal. I hardly got personal, I called you a "dolt" OMFG and said you got "butthurt", which you did.

How thinskilled are you boyo?

you're a mod and you're calling people 'butthurt' and 'idiot' and 'boyo'. you've been given responsiblities, and you can't deal with them.
and i amn't plainly wrong, i have a perfectly valid point, but you just gotta kick out some abuse.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:57 pm

lmao.

None of those are insults, I would call my own niece all of them in front of her mother.

This has nothing to do with me being a mod, but i if you have an issue with it, bring it up with dots and hurb (when he gets back from France). If they see a problem with my behaviour I'm sure they'll take away the powers that I never have to use anyway.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:00 pm

deadonkey wrote:and i amn't plainly wrong, i have a perfectly valid point

You still can't see that the pickups are connected in series? That the physical signal from both pickups in a Telecaster deluxe is combined such that if you roll the volume off one the other will not sound even with it's volume up - hence a series connection.

euan · Post by **euan** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:14 pm

I can't see it because I'm finding it hard to read. I need a schematic to see it, or some time and crayons to do some colouring on the PDF.

deadonkey · Post by **deadonkey** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:24 pm

Mike wrote:
deadonkey wrote:and i amn't plainly wrong, i have a perfectly valid point
You still can't see that the pickups are connected in series? That the physical signal from both pickups in a Telecaster deluxe is combined such that if you roll the volume off one the other will not sound even with it's volume up - hence a series connection.

it looks the same to me as in a les paul, with the 2 pickups in parallel. i have never heard of any LP style circuit with pickups in series, and according to the diagram, i'm reading that as the 2 pups in parallel, how that differs from the pup's signal being in parallel, i don't know.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:31 pm

read this:

http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/stockgibson.php

there are 2 ways to wire a les paul style setup - you can have both volumes totally independent, or both volume controls acting as a master control when in the middle switch position. Obviously the telecaster is wired using the latter schematic.

How the volume controls are wired is totally seperate to how the pickups are wired together.

End of discussion. now stop with the arguing!

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:34 pm

aphasiac wrote:How the volume controls are wired is totally seperate to how the pickups are wired together.

No. Because post volume and tone control is where the relationship between the pickups is defined. That is when it has an effect on the sound ffs.

euan · Post by **euan** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:41 pm

I always think of it in terms of how they are wired in relation to the switch.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:03 pm

Mike wrote:
aphasiac wrote:How the volume controls are wired is totally seperate to how the pickups are wired together.
No. Because post volume and tone control is where the relationship between the pickups is defined. That is when it has an effect on the sound ffs.

no. the relationship between pickups (series/parallel) is defined by how the toggle switch is wired.

Whether the volumes act independantly or as masters when combined together, depends on which lugs are soldered on the volume pots themselves.

It's all explained in the page i linked.

Post by **dots** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:56 pm

i'd really prefer NOT to have to clean up this thread, so lets agree to disagree until somebody comes up with something definitive on this subject. . . ask a fender or duncan or gibson technician and then copy/paste the response here.

whoever loses the argument has to wiki the entire idea.

gary · Post by **gary** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:15 am

Mike wrote:
gary wrote:I assume because you can go humbucking, having RWRP on any of the four singlecoil pickups would be unecessary.
This is precisely incorrect.

You need RWRP to achieve humbucking.

I can't believe I missed that, I mean, the last set of pickups I bought have a RWRP neck to make a basic humbucking sound when both are on.

And I also found out the Brian May Red Special has 13 different sounds, so no matter WHAT way this custom Jag idea of mine is wired, it has the Red Special beat. Although the Red Special also has a nice 24" scale and 24 frets to go with it... I almost bought one instead of putting money down on my Lake Placid Jag.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:57 am

gary wrote:the Red Special also has a nice 24" scale and 24 frets to go with it... I almost bought one instead of putting money down on my Lake Placid Jag.

Just a shame the red special looks like ass. Good move on the jag.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:26 am

gary wrote: And I also found out the Brian May Red Special has 13 different sounds, so no matter WHAT way this custom Jag idea of mine is wired, it has the Red Special beat. Although the Red Special also has a nice 24" scale and 24 frets to go with it... I almost bought one instead of putting money down on my Lake Placid Jag.

Number of sounds does NOT a good guitar make.

you'll probably end up using only 3 of them most of the time anyway.

StevePirates · Post by **StevePirates** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:51 pm

Hi, I'm new, nice to meet you all.

I'd like to derail this argument by asking a stupid pickup question of my own.

I have an LP studio that sounds too similar to my SG standard for me to bother using them both much anymore. So I was thinking about putting a P94 in the neck of the LP and a seymour duncan invader in the bridge position.

Anyone got any input on how that will effect my sonic output?

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:53 pm

Greatly. The invader is a high output humbucker, so there might be a large drop in volume when changing from the bridge to the neck.

StevePirates · Post by **StevePirates** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:56 pm

euan wrote:Greatly. The invader is a high output humbucker, so there might be a large drop in volume when changing from the bridge to the neck.

Is there any way to rectify that difference? Other than setting the neck at 10 and the bridge at say 6 for normal playing?

I have an invader in my Esquire, and I know I like how that pickup sounds, but all my guitars are just big ol' motherhumbuckers. I'm looking for some diversity and some bright jingly jangly sounds.