delay

Post by **Mike** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:29 am

It's Line6 though - they're well hummy and noisy if you don't have your own power supply for it, and the tap tempo is wank - "Tap Lightly"? WTF.

Having said all that I'm buying the Behringer version when it comes out because it has Sweep Echo and all that shit.

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:36 am

Yeah a load of delays need there own supply init.
As for the tap lightly well on a boss yeah that would suck but i can see it working ok on the line6 style stomp actually.

kim · Post by **kim** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:59 pm

dd5 would seem like a good option, dd6 too, i didn't like the dd6 i tried but it's just personal taste, it's versatile, not super exspensive, maybe try to find one secondhand,

i don't know if anyone's mentioned the t.Rex replica yet, it's pricey but you can find them secondhand for about 200-250, tap tempo, warm delay, it's a bit bigger than a dd5 or 6 but smaller than a dd20 i believe, then again, it's not as versatile as the dd20...

Post by **dots** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:04 pm

thanks for all the suggestions. here's the homework i've done thus far:

digitech digidelay - decent price, good delay time, but no memory

line6 echo park - lozzle to the name (echo park is actually a pretty cool place), but these things are apparently scarce. good price, and features as it's the only one in the lot with true bypass. i might have to swing by guitar center to check one out.

daneletcro wasabi - i love dano's. they look cooler than anything ever made. if this had memory, i'd so get it without batting an eyelash.

guyatone md-3 - small and sturdy, but short on features.

boss dd-6 - has all the great features, though it's the most expensive. i don't know if the 2-second hold would bother me or not. memory is a feature i'd like to have, but i don't think i'd use it everyday.

thoughts on these models?

Post by **Mike** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:09 pm

dots wrote:line6 echo park - lozzle to the name (echo park is actually a pretty cool place), but these things are apparently scarce. good price, and features as it's the only one in the lot with true bypass. i might have to swing by guitar center to check one out.

It's not true bypass - see my thuoghts above.

dots wrote: guyatone md-3 - small and sturdy, but short on features.

Lamp loves his, check his demo in the demo's thread

dots wrote:boss dd-6 - has all the great features, though it's the most expensive. i don't know if the 2-second hold would bother me or not. memory is a feature i'd like to have, but i don't think i'd use it everyday.
thoughts on these models?

Get a DD-5.

Post by **dots** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:18 pm

hmph. line6 is advertising that pedal as a true bypass. is this an out-and-out lie, or is there some technicality i'm missing here?

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:34 pm

Its something you will have to try dots, i personally have no love for troo troo bypass. so long as when i click the pedal off i hear nuthin from the pedal. and my signal doesn't turn to shit when i add the pedal to my chain. I'm happy.

The line 6 verbzilla is rumoured to be noisey as all hell..however i haven't found this to be true and couldn't be happier with it.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:37 pm

Fact - if it features trails it cannot be true bypass.

I don't see true bypass anywhere in this blurb:

Line 6 propaganda machine wrote:

Based on the award-winning DL4â„¢ Delay Modeler, Echo Parkâ„¢ is loaded with unbelievable sounding models including Analog, Tape, and Digital Delay. Different delay patterns such as slap, ping pong, swell, and sweep can be adjusted with the twist of a knob, and the Mod dial can be tweaked for even more variations. Also features Tap Tempo and stereo ins and outs.

Model Switch - Switching this reconfigures the virtual circuitry inside Echo Park. You get three of the most desired delay sounds on the planet.

Tape - This gives you darker tone with each repeat just like a vintage tape-based echo. And you never have to change tapes!

Digital - This gives you straight up echoes, with crystal clear digital fidelity.

Analog - Designed to give you a vintage analog ?bucket brigade? delay sound, with its classic warmth and warble.

Trails Switch - Set this on to keep Echo Park?s processing engaged while in bypass, so your echoes smoothly trail away when you kick the effect off.

Mix - Turn the knob up (clockwise) for louder echoes, or down for quieter ones.

Repeat - You get 1 repeat at the minimum setting, and infinite repeats that swirl around when the knob is all the way up.

Time - This knob gives you a range of spacings for your echoes from 53 milliseconds (close together) through 2.2 seconds (way far apart). You can use Tap Tempo to reach Echo Park?s maximum time of 2.5 seconds.

Mod - Turn this knob up to get some delicious stereo modulation on your echoes. Each model has its own type of stereo modulation:

* Analog has Vibrato
* Digital has Chorus
* Tape has Wow & Flutter

Function Control Knob

Normal - your taps are treated as quarter notes, so you hear your echoes coming back at the same speed you tapped the footswitch.

Tap eighth note triplet - This setting lets you tap quarter notes, while the echoes come back doing 8th note triplets. Sweet!

Tap dotted eighth note - You tap quarter notes, your echoes come back as dotted 8th notes.

Slap - This is the place for a speedy slap back echo. The Time knob?s range is automagically changed to be 10 to 150 milliseconds. You can Tap Tempo quarter notes, and get 16th note echoes.

Swell - This adds an auto volume swell along with your echoes. Dreamy.

Sweep - Add this sweeping filter to the feedback loop of your echoes and you?ll be glad you did!

Ducking - The volume of your echoes is ?ducked? (reduced) while you?re playing, and increases when you stop. This is handy to avoid mud-tone.

Multi 1 - Uses multiple delay ?taps? to give you a rhythmic pattern of echoes.

Multi 2 - Another multi-tap rhythmic variation.

Ping Pong - Alternating left and right taps

Reverse - Just like the backwards tape tricks on our favorite albums, this flips your input signal around and sends it back to you in reverse. Use it live, and folks are sure to be impressed.

Tap Tempo - Put your foot to work and get your echoes in the groove! Using the innovative ToneCoreÂ® double-action footswitch, you can tap a couple times and have your echoes match your tempo. Whether the effect is active or bypassed, you can tap the footswitch lightly to set delay time. Your first two taps establish the tempo and any additional taps will be averaged in.

Any time the Tap Tempo switch is used to alter the delay, the tapped value overrides the current setting of the Time knob. Whenever the Time knob is turned, it overrides the last value entered with the Tap Tempo switch. Echo Park?s indicator light flashes the tempo in green when the effect is ON and amber when the effect is OFF.

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:39 pm

Mike wrote: "Tap Lightly"? WTF.

haha yeah seriously. the tap tempos is pretty wankerish.

euan · Post by **euan** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:58 pm

mewithoutus wrote:
Mike wrote: "Tap Lightly"? WTF.
haha yeah seriously. the tap tempos is pretty wankerish.

Its not really.

Post by **Doog** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:15 pm

Tap tempo isn't, but the one on the Line6 pedal looks so. Fuck having to press a button in a certain way to get what you want. It just leaves you vunerable to fucking up in a live situation= crap.

euan · Post by **euan** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:18 pm

I think he was trying to impress Mike but misunderstood what he meant.

Tweez · Post by **Tweez** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:04 pm

The Line 6 pedals look chuggy as hell are they plastic?

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:05 pm

metal.

Tweez · Post by **Tweez** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:39 pm

Hurb wrote:metal.

I've never actually touched one, they look like something Robocop would carry though.

Post by **dots** » Tue May 01, 2007 3:19 am

so, i went w/ the dd6 (and a fish 'n chips eq

) once again for the no shipping, no tax, 45day return policy. the dd20 is obviously more feature packed, but i just don't have the space for it, not to mention the fact that i'd never use most of it. having memory and tap will be cool things to play around with (the placement on my pedalboard won't allow much of that at shows). if i discover that i can't live without them, i'll find out if this is a convenient enough setup. as it stands, the dd6 is the most feature packed for that price and in that size.

i'll poast pics of the new board setup when this stuff arrives. thanks for all of the advice, guys.

zoinks · Post by **zoinks** » Tue May 01, 2007 3:22 am

bah humbug to delays!

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Tue May 01, 2007 3:27 am

euan wrote:I think he was trying to impress Mike but misunderstood what he meant.

bingo. you get me. you really get me.

and yeah they are wankerish. i like the idea of not holding the pedal down for two seconds for tap tempo, but im not a fan of the two stage footswitch. i like to stomp my boxes, not lightly tap them,. i would rather it have a tap tempo in jack for a single button or something.

Post by **Hurb** » Tue May 01, 2007 7:09 am

yay ! do samples wor dots

theshadowofseattle · Post by **theshadowofseattle** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:50 pm

dots wrote:so, i went w/ the dd6 (and a fish 'n chips eq ) once again for the no shipping, no tax, 45day return policy. the dd20 is obviously more feature packed, but i just don't have the space for it, not to mention the fact that i'd never use most of it. having memory and tap will be cool things to play around with (the placement on my pedalboard won't allow much of that at shows). if i discover that i can't live without them, i'll find out if this is a convenient enough setup. as it stands, the dd6 is the most feature packed for that price and in that size.

i'll poast pics of the new board setup when this stuff arrives. thanks for all of the advice, guys.

I have a DD-6 and Fish n' Chips as well. WE'RE LIKE BROTHERS