Irrational gear aversions

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:31 pm

Mo Rocca wrote:not even...

the 8 string behemoth?

wow that's a beast! seriously, i dont think i could do a bar chord on that above the 5 fret (i have small fingers)

euan · Post by **euan** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:35 pm

Ahhh the true Wangcaster.

Mo Law-ka · Post by **Mo Law-ka** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:53 pm

thats another thing. i cant stand the way les pauls or SGs play. the necks feel weird.

Chico Malo · Post by **Chico Malo** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:22 pm

The only Gibsons I've ever owned that had comfortable necks were my 62 Melody Maker and my 55 Les Paul Jr.

I wish I still had them.

Sublimedo · Post by **Sublimedo** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:59 pm

LimpDickCheney wrote: Fender solid state amps... buy a Crate amp. I am a certified Fender amp tech... the new shit is junk... Crates are made by St Louis Music and I have never had to fix one because of core component issues.

i have some sort of late 90's Deluxe 90 and it sounds really bright and loud. I do believe its one of my better sounding amps. Given,it crapped out on me before, i have since got it repaired with better components.

euan · Post by **euan** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:02 pm

Deluxe 90 does sound awesome for a solid state.

inscho · Post by **inscho** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:13 pm

poly finishes

mewithoutus · Post by **mewithoutus** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:53 pm

inscho wrote:poly finishes

yeah i wish companies didnt soak their guiars in so much poly. too thick and gross.

James · Post by **James** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:11 pm

Chico Malo wrote:...and my 55 Les Paul Jr.

You had a 55 LP Jr and um.. sold it?..

I hope you at least kept pics.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:22 pm

mewithoutus wrote:
inscho wrote:poly finishes
yeah i wish companies didnt soak their guiars in so much poly. too thick and gross.

Outdated finishes FTL. Would you finish your car/truck with paint that fades/rubs off easily and chemically reacts with certain materials? Poly is more durable, resists dents and scratches better, and doesn't sacrifice noticable tone. Vintage relic's are cool and all, but we have better paints now. use them.

Tweez · Post by **Tweez** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:31 pm

Nick wrote:
mewithoutus wrote:
inscho wrote:poly finishes
yeah i wish companies didnt soak their guiars in so much poly. too thick and gross.
Outdated finishes FTL. Would you finish your car/truck with paint that fades/rubs off easily and chemically reacts with certain materials? Poly is more durable, resists dents and scratches better, and doesn't sacrifice noticable tone. Vintage relic's are cool and all, but we have better paints now. use them.

+1

inscho · Post by **inscho** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:35 pm

Nick wrote:Outdated finishes FTL. Would you finish your car/truck with paint that fades/rubs off easily and chemically reacts with certain materials? Poly is more durable, resists dents and scratches better, and doesn't sacrifice noticable tone. Vintage relic's are cool and all, but we have better paints now. use them.

i totally understand the reasoning behind poly finishes....but i absolutely hate the feel of them.

luke · Post by **luke** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:42 pm

Nick wrote:
mewithoutus wrote:
inscho wrote:poly finishes
yeah i wish companies didnt soak their guiars in so much poly. too thick and gross.
Outdated finishes FTL. Would you finish your car/truck with paint that fades/rubs off easily and chemically reacts with certain materials? Poly is more durable, resists dents and scratches better, and doesn't sacrifice noticable tone. Vintage relic's are cool and all, but we have better paints now. use them.

Would you drive to work in your guitar?

People wear clothes that aren't very fit for purpose because they look good. We'd all be a lot more efficient if we either wore safety clothing or sportswear all the time, because it works best with the human body. That's new technology we have. Why don't we all wear it? Because we like a bit of fashion from time to time. We like to keep in touch with the past as well, and like vintage styles from time to time.

Guitars follow the same idea I think. Yeah, you can get your precision made shredding guitars, optimised for the fastest playing, but it's nice to have that '60s vibe too, and to get that you need the vintage style paint too. It's why people wear faded jeans, not because they're functional, but because it looks good.

dodgedartdave · Post by **dodgedartdave** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:42 am

Nick wrote:
mewithoutus wrote:
inscho wrote:poly finishes
yeah i wish companies didnt soak their guiars in so much poly. too thick and gross.
Outdated finishes FTL. Would you finish your car/truck with paint that fades/rubs off easily and chemically reacts with certain materials? Poly is more durable, resists dents and scratches better, and doesn't sacrifice noticable tone. Vintage relic's are cool and all, but we have better paints now. use them.

Vintage Nitro sound different then modern Poly paints. Part of the reason why vintage guitars sounds so great and are considered superior to anything modern.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:08 am

You are terribly mistaken. For a forum that pretty much collectively agrees (for the most part) that strings all sound the same, and that it doesn't matter how many pieces of wood are used int he contruction of the guitar, you all seem to have some superior opinion when it comes to the tone of the paint. Different sets of strings or a heavier gauge instrument cable will make way more difference to your tone than the paint will.

zoinks · Post by **zoinks** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:45 pm

Nick wrote:
mewithoutus wrote:
inscho wrote:poly finishes
yeah i wish companies didnt soak their guiars in so much poly. too thick and gross.
Outdated finishes FTL. Would you finish your car/truck with paint that fades/rubs off easily and chemically reacts with certain materials? Poly is more durable, resists dents and scratches better, and doesn't sacrifice noticable tone. Vintage relic's are cool and all, but we have better paints now. use them.

wikipedia wrote:
# Nitrocellulose lacquer, often mistakenly referred to as "Nitro", was used as a finish on guitars for most of the 20th century and is still used on some current applications. Manufactured by (among others) Dupont, the paint was also used on automobiles sharing the same color codes as many guitars, primarily Fender brands of guitars.
# Nitrocellulose lacquer is also used as an aircraft dope, painted onto fabric-covered aircraft to tauten and provide protection to the material.

Fender originally got there finishes from leftovers at car factories, which would mean that they were used on cars.

And i find that nitro causes the guitar too resonate more.

Also NITRO FTW!!!!!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:27 am

The resonation thing is all in your head. Heck I used to believe it too. Ever play an unfinished solidbody guitar? There isn't a world of difference you know. Look me in the eye and tell me if you took a blindfolded test, with two identical guitars with identical hardware, with different finishes through the same amp, that you would be able to tell me which one resonated better.

As far as the automobile thing goes, they don't quite use that on cars these days either, do they?

luke · Post by **luke** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:06 am

Nick wrote:

The resonation thing is all in your head. Heck I used to believe it too. Ever play an unfinished solidbody guitar? There isn't a world of difference you know. Look me in the eye and tell me if you took a blindfolded test, with two identical guitars with identical hardware, with different finishes through the same amp, that you would be able to tell me which one resonated better.

I bet Icey could, even through a practice amp.

I'm totally with you regarding the tone differences. All these things do "wood, paint, etc" is just alter the EQ ever so slightly. So basically, all you have to do is twist the tone knob slightly and you can change from basswood to alder, nitro to poly, just by dampening or brightening the tone with a potentionmeter. That just seems silly to me.

There are notably aesthetic changes, and that's all personal taste. The same people who like dings and battle scars on their guitar for character are going to like nitro, because it kinda started all that. I can understand why people like poly, dings just look bad on some colours/models.

James · Post by **James** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:12 pm

Malik wrote:So basically, all you have to do is twist the tone knob slightly and you can change from basswood to alder, nitro to poly, just by dampening or brightening the tone with a potentionmeter. That just seems silly to me.

That's because it is. Although differences like that can be subtle, they're more complex than simply rolling off a bit of treble.