Mystery cheap delay

Alyn · Post by **Alyn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:18 pm

Just baught myself a delay for Â£10 from Ca$h Converter$. It's nothing too fancy but it sounds pretty good, true bypass, metal case, doesn't colour the sound at all (appart from the delay, obviously, but you know what I mean), I'm pretty sure it's analogue, and in honesty it was a good use of a Â£10 note. But here's the mystery part: It doesn't have a manufacturors name anywhere on it. Anyone got any ideas what it is?

Cheers!

James · Post by **James** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:22 pm

These are on ebay a lot, they're fairly cheap, I can't remember the name though. Should be easy enough to find, I'll go check it.

James · Post by **James** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:26 pm

this one says its cross fire

this one says Belcat

I've seen it say Belcat plenty, I think that might be the UK name. There was a post about them and the other ones in the series before.

Alyn · Post by **Alyn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:30 pm

Now you mention it, I think I've seen them boxed as belcat before now, cheers Bob! I knew I'd seen them before but couldn't remember the manufacturor and was confused because it didn't say on it and came unboxed as is. I dunno what the consensus on here was when they where discussed, will try to find the thread now, but for Â£10 I'm really pleased with it.

James · Post by **James** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:33 pm

I think it was basically "Cheap enough to be worth a try, and worst, you have a box and jacks/pots/a switch for a project."

Alyn · Post by **Alyn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:36 pm

OK, couldn't find it, but yeah, that was basically my thinking upon buying it, and was pleasantly suprised when I plugged it in.

euan · Post by **euan** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:06 pm

Crack Converters always has belccat stuff in.

Post by **Doog** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:32 pm

I think they're pretty much standardy cheapy pedals guts in "ooh it looks a bit like a booteek or MXR pedal" casing.

Had a look inside the guts yet? Is it actually TB or just a lookalike footswitch ala Behringer?

Alyn · Post by **Alyn** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:19 am

It looks like a lookalike switch at quick glance, certainly not a big chunky EH switch, but I did the unplug-the-battery test and it seems to be true bypass. I'll have a proper look tomorow and find out for definate. The circuit seems incredibly simple though, not like the behringer over-complicated no-mojo circuits. If I get chance I'll open it up and get some inside shots too if anyone's interested.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:12 am

The unplug battery test does not prove true bypass. It's another case of some idiot on the internet passing off something scientifically incorrect as fact. All it proves is that there is no powered buffer in the signal path - the signal can (and will be in this case if the switch is not a DPDT or 3PDT) be affected by the circuit unpowered.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:14 am

Alyn wrote:The circuit seems incredibly simple though, not like the behringer over-complicated no-mojo circuits.

Overcomplicated? No-MOJO? Seriously - shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Overcomplicated? I can't get over that - what a stupid-ass thing to say, you're probably comparing a Digital Delay with several delay modes and an overall max delay time of 2 seconds with a simple BBD based 4 stage 300ms delay.

Ridiculous.

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:47 am

Posted the Belcat series of pedals months ago.

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Alyn · Post by **Alyn** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:21 pm

Mike wrote:
Alyn wrote:The circuit seems incredibly simple though, not like the behringer over-complicated no-mojo circuits.
Overcomplicated? No-MOJO? Seriously - shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Overcomplicated? I can't get over that - what a stupid-ass thing to say, you're probably comparing a Digital Delay with several delay modes and an overall max delay time of 2 seconds with a simple BBD based 4 stage 300ms delay.

Ridiculous.

Ever seen inside a Behringer A/B box? Tell me that's not over complicated! Seriously. I don't know much about delay circuits so I'm not comparing them, but I know Behringer do make over complicated circuits for some things, like the A/B box.

Anyways, the photos:

Indeed it doesn't appear at all to be true bypass so I take that back, but the bypass is decent so I don't mind.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:45 pm

Alyn wrote:
Mike wrote:
Alyn wrote:The circuit seems incredibly simple though, not like the behringer over-complicated no-mojo circuits.
Overcomplicated? No-MOJO? Seriously - shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Overcomplicated? I can't get over that - what a stupid-ass thing to say, you're probably comparing a Digital Delay with several delay modes and an overall max delay time of 2 seconds with a simple BBD based 4 stage 300ms delay.

Ridiculous.
Ever seen inside a Behringer A/B box? Tell me that's not over complicated! Seriously. I don't know much about delay circuits so I'm not comparing them, but I know Behringer do make over complicated circuits for some things, like the A/B box.

Shut. Up.

Do you know how to make a silently switching A/B box with low cost components for mass production? No. You don't know what you're blathering on about. Overcomplicated - idiot. What purpose would that serve for a company interested in making profit - adding unecessary logic and components.

Again just stop - you're IGNORANT.

Alyn · Post by **Alyn** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:49 pm

Mike wrote:Shut. Up.

Do you know how to make a silently switching A/B box with low cost components for mass production? No. You don't know what you're blathering on about. Overcomplicated - idiot. What purpose would that serve for a company interested in making profit - adding unecessary logic and components.

Again just stop - you're IGNORANT.

OK, fair enough, I'm wrong, I stand corrected. Do you have to be so aggressive about everything? Can we not peacfully discuss? If it wasn't for the fact that you have a go at other people too I'd think you had a massive problem with me.

Post by **Doog** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:57 pm

Deadpan nothin'.

euan · Post by **euan** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:41 pm

That ain't no true bypass switch like I've ever seen one.

Post by **Doog** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:43 pm

Mike wrote:The unplug battery test does not prove true bypass. It's another case of some idiot on the internet passing off something scientifically incorrect as fact. All it proves is that there is no powered buffer in the signal path - the signal can (and will be in this case if the switch is not a DPDT or 3PDT) be affected by the circuit unpowered.

In all honesty, I thought that used to be the case until I tried it with the Behringer and EH Big Muffs. It'd bypass fine without power, but somehow cut the treble a bit when you added power still in bypass mode. Odd.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:05 pm

Doog wrote:
Mike wrote:The unplug battery test does not prove true bypass. It's another case of some idiot on the internet passing off something scientifically incorrect as fact. All it proves is that there is no powered buffer in the signal path - the signal can (and will be in this case if the switch is not a DPDT or 3PDT) be affected by the circuit unpowered.
In all honesty, I thought that used to be the case until I tried it with the Behringer and EH Big Muffs. It'd bypass fine without power, but somehow cut the treble a bit when you added power still in bypass mode. Odd.

it's because some components of the "effect" part of the circuit still load down the signal, such as caps to ground - that's what causes your high frequency loss.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:06 pm

Alyn wrote:
Mike wrote:Shut. Up.

Do you know how to make a silently switching A/B box with low cost components for mass production? No. You don't know what you're blathering on about. Overcomplicated - idiot. What purpose would that serve for a company interested in making profit - adding unecessary logic and components.

Again just stop - you're IGNORANT.
OK, fair enough, I'm wrong, I stand corrected. Do you have to be so aggressive about everything? Can we not peacfully discuss? If it wasn't for the fact that you have a go at other people too I'd think you had a massive problem with me.

I don't particularly care if you think I have a problem with you - I'm not going to tolerate you posting absolute claptrap. What a load of shite. I have an electronics degree, lots of my buddies died for that.