Indeed. I know Hurb has demonstrated that you can drop them without breaking them, but there are definitely people rehousing these cheap pedals in metal boxes so that they look "boot-eek" and I don't know whether it's to make them more robust, make them look less cheap or a bit of both.izodiak wrote:http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_vt91 ... rdrive.htm this is like the coolest pedal ever, its a tube (real tube, as they claim) overdrive, within 60$, thats real ? Cause real tube overdrives usually go over 100dolars, damn thats nice.. Do You think it has a real working tube, or is it just for the cosmetics ? Am, yes.. I now understand, from the cheapsters You just need to carefuly pick them out, but theyr really good.. I think too often these days we pay just for a brand or something, to feel "safe" among other guitarists, who will lol You off, just because You have an cheap pedal (even if they dont hear any real difference)
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They're not just changing "a few words". the circuits are implemented COMPLETELY differently, mostly using SMD technology. I don't think you really understand what Behringer are doing.Doog wrote:I mean, cloning the deleted pedals, fair enough, they're not competing for a market, but stuff like the PS-5 and other flagship boxes? Not so sure. Just smacks of "cuntishness" really. It's like someone copying your essay, changing a few words and handing it in earlier than yours.Mike wrote:It's Boss' fault there is a market for this. Especially not releasing deleted and overpriced pedals.Doog wrote:I'm still in two minds about 'em- sure, cheap pedals are great but I still don't agree with them completely ripping off other people's work and undercutting them.
I wonder how Boss feel about all of it..
Plus for serious a lot of their pedals are overpriced. £70 for a Blues Driver? £100+ for a Digital Delay?
But yeah, Boss are overpriced for sure, there's no doubt about that- I'd like to know how much it actually costs them in parts and labour for em..
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It's to make the rehouser look like a corksniffing twat.NickS wrote:Indeed. I know Hurb has demonstrated that you can drop them without breaking them, but there are definitely people rehousing these cheap pedals in metal boxes so that they look "boot-eek" and I don't know whether it's to make them more robust, make them look less cheap or a bit of both.izodiak wrote:http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_vt91 ... rdrive.htm this is like the coolest pedal ever, its a tube (real tube, as they claim) overdrive, within 60$, thats real ? Cause real tube overdrives usually go over 100dolars, damn thats nice.. Do You think it has a real working tube, or is it just for the cosmetics ? Am, yes.. I now understand, from the cheapsters You just need to carefuly pick them out, but theyr really good.. I think too often these days we pay just for a brand or something, to feel "safe" among other guitarists, who will lol You off, just because You have an cheap pedal (even if they dont hear any real difference)
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Did you see the one where he took the behringer tuner and put it into a rack mount? very clever...but it stunk of I am ashamed of my behringer even though it tunes my guitar really well
Did you see the one where he took the behringer tuner and put it into a rack mount? very clever...but it stunk of I am ashamed of my behringer even though it tunes my guitar really well
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There is just as much real design work done in taking the original designs of the pedals (and let's not kid ourselves here that any of these designs are truly groundbreaking, original and Boss' own. Most guitar effects are derived from the same 12 or 13 staple circuit constructs and tweaked thereafter) and reengineering them to be produced in a completely different low-cost, high yield manufacturing process and yet still retaining the sound and sometimes even improving the noise floor is still the real deal as far as I'm concerned.
It's easy to sniff at what they're doing because the pedals directly rip-off the cosmetics of the originals a lot, but that's just the surface of their whole operation. Same with their mixers and stuff, I've been nothing but enamoured with my old Behringer EuroRack MX-602A mixer since I bought it as a Phantom Power source for my first condensor. That thing is frigging great and built to survive abuse. My drummer even couldn't break it, although he tried pretty damn hard, shoving the power cable in the wrong way.
It's easy to sniff at what they're doing because the pedals directly rip-off the cosmetics of the originals a lot, but that's just the surface of their whole operation. Same with their mixers and stuff, I've been nothing but enamoured with my old Behringer EuroRack MX-602A mixer since I bought it as a Phantom Power source for my first condensor. That thing is frigging great and built to survive abuse. My drummer even couldn't break it, although he tried pretty damn hard, shoving the power cable in the wrong way.
about the Behringer Tube overdrive, it still would sound more natural than the green one, the TO800 ? About re-casing, actually I think it looks nicer, more robust, and You can spray Your own colors, and add leds in the colors You like, and the buttons.. thats why I would re-case, not because of the brand.. And Mike I didnt know that, then they are having an economical race, thats what business is all about make cheaper, sell for higher price,and Boss has overdone it (when the "consumer" starts avoiding their product, well at least a few) , maybe they'll have an meeting and there will be some changes viewable in the market, maybe..
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Doog wrote:Matt WK has rocked the Behringer tuner for like a year now, with zero problems and lots of usage. The footswitch got a bit clicky at the last show, but I think it was just the spring getting a bit stuck.
That's good enough for me, I shall pick one up at the weekend.
Do you know if you can daisy chain other pedals off it like the Boss TU2?
yeah but i thought the boss is about a fiver more than the Diago plus its like a tuner init. I got an old boss power supply lying around that i was going to use to save me carrying around one of them old massive DC power brick things taking up space & adding to the weight of my pedal bag.Doog wrote:Aye. Just pick up a daisychain from Diago (providing your power supply can provide enough current for all your pedals combined)- I'm pretty sure that's all the Boss tuner does.Mike wrote:Neither the TU100 or TU300 has a DC out socket, so no.