I've gone toncore crazy (cheap Line 6 pedals)

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:56 pm

Doog wrote:
Hurb wrote:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0P9YWSUJ

ok that is just a bit of knob twiddling I start of clean, then tape mode, then digital, then analogue. then go through them backwards with modulation on half way. then just a bit of randomness through the modes.

Guitar was jaguar bridge pickup through orange TT sm58 yadda yadda yadda
Nice one dude, sounds gooooood! I may well pick one of these up very shortly.

What fuzz pedal you using at the end? Blender clone?

behringer superfuzz...yeah I know I am a behringer whore.

euan · Post by **euan** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:58 pm

I've just sold my Whammy. Time to pick this bad boy up.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:29 pm

On the line 6 EP:

Digital Delay pedals always take the most current draw of any pedal effect, so if you're using a standard PSA-120 Boss adapter or even the line 6/Danelectro/Digitech/Morley/Dunlop/etc it'll work fine but put any more load on it with a daisy chain to just about anything and it's going to cause hum. A Visual Sound 1-spot is probably the best solution. 1700mA of 9VDC power. Runs quiet, no matter how many pedals you're running (there is a theoretical limit of course).

I personally like the footswitch on them (tonecore). The fact that you can change tempo anytime, whether the effect is on or off is awesome, and they seem pretty solid. I have had bad experience with their larger footswitches (DL4, Pod X3 Live), but never saw one of these tonecore pedals comeback because of a broken or dodgy footswitch.

Buying a Behringer is like buying a Yugo.

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:36 pm

Nick wrote: Buying a Behringer is like buying a Yugo.

No it's not, stop talking shit. we had this conversation before and you couldn't come up with a valid point or reason for your blatant snobism. oh sorry, apart from your one pedal not working properly that one time.
I'm all for opinions on gear, but snobs get about as much respect as mojo hounds from me.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:45 pm

Hurb that was a really nice demo - good range of sounds and man the backwards sound at 6:10 was trippy as sh#t. Anyway you convinced me so just got one off ebay along with the vintage phaser (Behringer VP1).

Damn ive spend like Â£120 on pedals today..time to sell my Boss Me-50 (which is what i was trying to replace).

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:49 pm

aphasiac wrote:Hurb that was a really nice demo - good range of sounds and man the backwards sound at 6:10 was trippy as sh#t. Anyway you convinced me so just got one off ebay along with the vintage phaser (Behringer VP1).

Damn ive spend like Â£120 on pedals today..time to sell my Boss Me-50 (which is what i was trying to replace).

no problem dude, it's a really neat pedal.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:52 pm

Hurb wrote: No it's not, stop talking shit. we had this conversation before and you couldn't come up with a valid point or reason for your blatant snobism. oh sorry, apart from your one pedal not working properly that one time.
I'm all for opinions on gear, but snobs get about as much respect as mojo hounds from me.

To be fair Behringer do have a bad reputation for a reason - their guitar pedals were pretty poorly made and were plagued with silly problems (mechnical faults, noise, bypass that leaked through affected signal).

However in the past 2 years they have REALLY upped their game. Watch the video on youtube of how the Behringer factory operates in China - i mean FFS, they have full time staff employed just to plug guitar leads in and out of every jack on every pedal to make sure it *feels* right. Cheap labour = high quality control. and the new Line 6 clones actually FIX the problems people have had with the tonecore pedals. So theyre doing their R&D pretty well too.

So basically f#ck anyone who knocks behringer.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:54 pm

Hurb wrote:
Nick wrote: Buying a Behringer is like buying a Yugo.
No it's not, stop talking shit. we had this conversation before and you couldn't come up with a valid point or reason for your blatant snobism. oh sorry, apart from your one pedal not working properly that one time.
I'm all for opinions on gear, but snobs get about as much respect as mojo hounds from me.

I stole your PS-3 from twisted justin.

THERE.

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:59 pm

aphasiac wrote:
Hurb wrote: No it's not, stop talking shit. we had this conversation before and you couldn't come up with a valid point or reason for your blatant snobism. oh sorry, apart from your one pedal not working properly that one time.
I'm all for opinions on gear, but snobs get about as much respect as mojo hounds from me.
To be fair Behringer do have a bad reputation for a reason - their guitar pedals were pretty poorly made and were plagued with silly problems (mechnical faults, noise, bypass that leaked through affected signal).

ONE WORD

electro har fuckin monix!
They had all the same problems and it only took them 30 fuckin years to sort themselves out! haha

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:02 pm

Nick wrote:
Hurb wrote:
Nick wrote: Buying a Behringer is like buying a Yugo.
No it's not, stop talking shit. we had this conversation before and you couldn't come up with a valid point or reason for your blatant snobism. oh sorry, apart from your one pedal not working properly that one time.
I'm all for opinions on gear, but snobs get about as much respect as mojo hounds from me.
I stole your PS-3 from twisted justin.

THERE.

Em, I don't really care, I didn't really wanna trust my details with justin. although it does show the cut of yours and justins jib. well done!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:03 pm

As far as behringer goes, they really just don't have a good reputation. it's not snobbery or anything. I work in a music store and I see stuff come back firsthand. Yeah like any budget gear you'll find the occasional gem, or one or two products in their lineup that are total sleepers. Aside from being ridiculously huge, I had good luck with my Behringer 4x12 cabinet, Matt had one and liked his too IIRC. I had a eurorack behringer mixer that died in a year under light use, but I just sold the same unit the other day to a customer who was replacing one that lasted 4 years.

I'm not a gear snob and don't put myself above buying cheap gear. I have GFS pickups in my vintage tornado, I use a Nobels overdrive, which is a pretty cheap pedal (about $40 new), but is at least rugged and well made. I'm not denying Behringer stuff can't sound the part, but imagine say buying a Fulltone or Zvex pedal, and having it broken right out of the box, brand new. Would you really buy into it again knowing that a product has such terrible quality control?

As far as that Boss PS-3 goes, it's the best pitch shifter pedal I've ever used, and I'm having plenty of fun with it.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:08 pm

Nick wrote:As far as behringer goes, they really just don't have a good reputation. it's not snobbery or anything. I work in a music store and I see stuff come back firsthand.

Come on then, details please.

How much Behringer stuff do you see returned, compared to other pedals? What are the most common faults, and how is the newer Behringer stuff fairing up (considering their new lines of late 2007/2008 pedals have better quality control).

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:11 pm

Nick wrote:As far as behringer goes, they really just don't have a good reputation. it's not snobbery or anything. I work in a music store and I see stuff come back firsthand. Yeah like any budget gear you'll find the occasional gem, or one or two products in their lineup that are total sleepers. Aside from being ridiculously huge, I had good luck with my Behringer 4x12 cabinet, Matt had one and liked his too IIRC. I had a eurorack behringer mixer that died in a year under light use, but I just sold the same unit the other day to a customer who was replacing one that lasted 4 years.

I'm not a gear snob and don't put myself above buying cheap gear. I have GFS pickups in my vintage tornado, I use a Nobels overdrive, which is a pretty cheap pedal (about $40 new), but is at least rugged and well made. I'm not denying Behringer stuff can't sound the part, but imagine say buying a Fulltone or Zvex pedal, and having it broken right out of the box, brand new. Would you really buy into it again knowing that a product has such terrible quality control?

As far as that Boss PS-3 goes, it's the best pitch shifter pedal I've ever used, and I'm having plenty of fun with it.

reputation on the internet means little to me. I have only had one behringer pedal die on me and it was only because I was trying to bend it and it shorted. I have had great experience with every other product from them.
I love ehx however I have had 2 die on me in the past.
zvex, check his forum he gets loads of returns...compared to the number he sells.
as far as the ps-3 goes, have fun with it! I dont have one yet, but I also don't have to be friends with justin...I think that's a pretty fair trade!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:32 pm

We don't actually sell the pedals in my shop, so I don't have any other stories to tell about their pedals.

I'm referring primarily to mixers and guitar/bass amps. It's the lowest end we sell most of the time, and like I said, some products they make are better than others.

Honestly most returns are from people just unhappy with the sound of the preamps in most of their mixers compared to other things they've used. There are a few instances of actual problems, some right out of the box, and some soon after, usually manufacturing defects, such as shoddy input jacks and potentiometers.

To be fair though, I do get just as many returns on russian Big Muffs for broken plastic input jacks and intermittent function. I also get a fair share of returns on Digitech multifx due to the processor freezing or the wah pedal permanently off calibration....the latter has happened on Whammy 4 pedals too. I had a Zoom 707 pedal where basically all the jacks, input and power started coming unsoldered after minimal use, and the same thing happened to a friend of mine's bass version of the same thing. And even with the good stuff we had a return on a T-Rex Tremster a week after we bought it, because of a significant volume drop when the pedal was engaged.

I guess any pedal you buy is a gamble at the end of the day. Still if you ask me, a plastic pot is more likely to break than a metal one. You're entitled to buy what you want and if it works for you, great. I'm just personally done with their pedals.

Post by **Hurb** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:42 pm

Nick wrote: I guess any pedal you buy is a gamble at the end of the day. Still if you ask me, a plastic pot is more likely to break than a metal one. You're entitled to buy what you want and if it works for you, great. I'm just personally done with their pedals.

I have broke the metal pot shaft on a pedal before....so I guess metal breaks too.
I have yet to break a behringer one, there designed in such a way that even if you stood on them full weight you wouldn't put any pressure on the shaft...I'm sure you knew that anyway.
My fender jaguar has plastic shaft pots..and has lasted from the late 60's.

next!

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:05 pm

Nick wrote:We don't actually sell the pedals in my shop, so I don't have any other stories to tell about their pedals.

So you have seen 1 Behringer pedal break (alledgedly) vs multiple EHX and digitech pedals. Hmmm, good basis of judgement.

Nick wrote: I guess any pedal you buy is a gamble at the end of the day. Still if you ask me, a plastic pot is more likely to break than a metal one. You're entitled to buy what you want and if it works for you, great. I'm just personally done with their pedals.

Waaaait a minute - this discussion was started by you specifically saying you saying you would buy a Line6 Echo Park over a Behringer Echo Machine. Yet the Line 6 tonecore pedals all have plastic pots and plastic shafts.

You lose.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:36 pm

My Dodge had transmission problems early in its life, and I won't buy anything Daimler/Chrysler/Mitsubishi again.

And if you buy something brand new it shouldn't be broken. End of story.

It's not abnormal to hate on a product that failed you.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:43 pm

Also I love how I'm treated around here.

"allegedly"....you're so wrapped up in the promise of cheap functional pedals that you outright DENY a TRUE STORY.

I love how nobody around here treats anyones opinions with respect. This isn't a WIN LOSE discussion. Stop making this into a war.

If someone hates on something I like because their's broke, it's just a matter of "mine didn't, thanks for the warning though"

I hope you two rework your conversational abilities.

I'm also convinced that Hurb works for Behringer.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:56 pm

STFU Nick, Mitsibushi are a good car.

YOU LOSE.

AND I HATE YOU.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:58 pm

Paul gets it.