How to Change Strings on Jag w/ Vintage Style Tuning Machine

dodgedartdave · Post by **dodgedartdave** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:36 pm

rrrob9 wrote:

Looks to me like tiny tim.

Post by **dots** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:18 pm

rrrob9 wrote:Spare strings? Yes. Wire cutters? Doesn't matter.

i wouldn't go so far as to say cutters are essential, but neither is a spare tire until you need it. what do you do in the case of a string that breaks at the post instead of the bridge or along the neck? they can get pretty tough to pull out of there with just your fingers. i'm not going to get upset and thrash you about for it, but the examples you posted up there? those guys have roadies and guitar techs who i guarantee have at least set or two of cutters among them.

you can get away without them on regular tuners, but split shaft? they're essential.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:42 pm

or do the decent thing and take a backup guitar if you've got space, then the poor audience doesn't have to stand around and watch while you fuck about trying to change a string then spend the rest of the gig going out of tune.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:52 pm

I cant believe i've just read this thread.

rrrob9 · Post by **rrrob9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:54 pm

only if you clip them short in the first place. if there's a bit of excess string to grab hold of you shouldn't have a problem. honestly, i don't care how it looks. sometimes i clip them. sometimes i don't.

how does that make me a 'fuckin n00b' or a 'cretin'?

tech or no tech, the guitar rory gallagher is playing in the photo has slotted pegs, so was probably strung up using a method similar to the one i suggested, and mike baulked at.

if you want a more 'real life' example, my friend ben, at the astoria. definitely no techs on hand, and i'll be damned if i ever saw him with a pair of wire cutters. one of the most experienced players i know.

it seriously doesn't matter, unless you jerk off to klustons.

dodgedartdave · Post by **dodgedartdave** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:57 pm

Who's rory gallagher?

Personally, I beat off to F tuners.

luke · Post by **luke** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:00 pm

This thread's insane, yo.

Post by **dots** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:07 pm

stewart wrote:or do the decent thing and take a backup guitar if you've got space, then the poor audience doesn't have to stand around and watch while you fuck about trying to change a string then spend the rest of the gig going out of tune.

haha. . . always have a spare, too. my rule of thumb was if i broke a string on stage during warm-up, i'd change the string. if it was during the show, i'd switch guitars. but having my little bag there with me meant that those tools were available to the band, too, and that came in handy for them on more than one occasion.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:15 pm

I did the stab-yrself-in-the-eyeballs uncut string thing too. When I was fucking 13.

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:18 pm

This thread is full of stupid, I'm sorry but it had to be said.

tribi9 · Post by **tribi9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:20 pm

wrote:

Kluson tuners are sooo easy to tune. I don't understand how somebody that ventures into alternate tunings can't properly string a guitar equipped with Klusons??

BTW Fuck excess string, that's just fucking laziness. Cut the fucking ends, no need to do fucking cornrows with them bitches!

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:20 pm

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:42 pm

... and all because of strings!

Can't wait to see a CONTROVERSIAL topic posted.

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:19 pm

Fran wrote:I cant believe i've just read this thread.

I can't believe I started this thread!

I just wanted some simple pointers, some "rules of thumb" and "tips and tricks".

Instead I get pummeled (in a good natured way), and the best suggestion of all -- namely, to use a small coin in the slot to lock the string down while tightening things up -- is shot down as not being "manly". WTF?

SHEESH!

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:25 pm

No, the best suggestion was posted like the second post, just cut the fuckers at the proper length and put them in the slots.

Shit, you think is a pummeling, don't ever ever poke your head in the Pub.

light rail coyote · Post by **light rail coyote** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:26 pm

just pull on the string to keep tension while you wind it. that's the only way to get clean wraps. The coin trick is completly unecessary and kinda pointless.

On a funny/enfuriating note. my brother was taking off the strings of my 66 mustang, so he could take it apart and make a tracing while I wasn't home. he thought the slots on my original white button f tuners where for a screwdriver so you could loosen the tuners fast. he proceeded to break the slot off of the original 66 white button tuner. Luckily he very quickly bought the first single tuner that came up on eBay, so I agreed not to kill him and all of his friends, and take his bassman 10.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:44 pm

rrrob9 wrote:
if you want a more 'real life' example, my friend ben, at the astoria. definitely no techs on hand, and i'll be damned if i ever saw him with a pair of wire cutters. one of the most experienced players i know.

And yet he's facing the wrong way. Cooee! Ben! We're behind you!

James · Post by **James** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:58 pm

Mike wrote:Just like every guitarist should have at least some snips and allen keys with him at all times.

I don't understand the allen key one. Surely that's only for truss rod adjustments. I could understand it for a tour but not for a gig. I'm probably missing something here though.

Will · Post by **Will** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:00 pm

This thread is almost as long and heated as the evolution/creation one.

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrob9 - just pack the damn wire cutters. It's good show to be prepared. And cut the excess string - it's only cool looking until you catch yourself or a bandmate in the eye. It's certainly not cool when it tears the fuck out of your case's insides.

My bag: Screwdriver, allen wrenches, needlenose and flatnose pliers, extra strings for myself as well as in other gauges for other people, string winder/cutter, duct tape, masking tape, at least 3 cables in various lengths, 9v batteries, 9v DC wall wart, 3-prong extension cord.

Overkill? YES; but I consider it absolutely necessary.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:27 pm

Its worth taking into consideration other factors here. I dont know how old that rrob69 guy is but some people on here are very young, they cant afford a second guitar and they dont have a clue what wire cutters are. If Dad dont have a pair kicking around the garage at that moment it becomes forgotten within minutes.
Even experienced players too, you get in from work then throw your gear in the boot, drive 50 miles to play a gig then realise you left your allen keys at home because you was fixing up your kids toy the previous night. Or the cutters are in the Strat case but you took your Jag instead, a string is broke so you wind it up near the machine head.
I dont get why its such an issue with people, maybe the other guy 'Armsock Bronco' is a n00b on guitar? I dunno, he just asked a simple question.

James.. an allen key is usefull if you use a Floyd Rose or you did'nt set your Jag up right.
To be fair, if you take a spare guitar you shoul'nt need any tools on a one night gig. Maybe we can fit a soldering iron, multi meter and some spare caps in our gig bags too!