Floyd Rose Assembly

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:34 pm

Anyone know what string blocks go where on an original Floyd Rose?

Mo Law-ka · Post by **Mo Law-ka** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:04 pm

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:13 pm

i gots some floyds parts if you needs em
some floyds(og licensned) are just blocks, then later incarnates had a lil tail on them, and the newer ones are a pain in the arse.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:44 pm

I thought they were all the same?
You fixing up the Charvel Mezz?

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:36 am

robert(original) wrote:i gots some floyds parts if you needs em
some floyds(og licensned) are just blocks, then later incarnates had a lil tail on them, and the newer ones are a pain in the arse.

Yeah, some are just blocks and some have the "tails" like you said. I'll snap a pic, and see what you think.

Fran, I'm rebuilding an Ibanez SA160 for my buddy. It was banged up pretty good, but is still nice.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:50 pm

Now Mezz, I woud have thought you were a man as would know his way around a Floyd Rose.

tsk tsk.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:16 pm

Mo. LOL! Snap.

I knew we would see Fran here.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:31 pm

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:28 am

BacchusPaul wrote:Now Mezz, I woud have thought you were a man as would know his way around a Floyd Rose.

tsk tsk.

No sir. I'm a Khaler man myself. They are freaking wonderful, easily the best locking trem made ever.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:49 pm

mezzio13 wrote:
BacchusPaul wrote:Now Mezz, I woud have thought you were a man as would know his way around a Floyd Rose.

tsk tsk.
No sir. I'm a Khaler man myself. They are freaking wonderful, easily the best locking trem made ever.

I agree. If you set one right the whole thing does'nt go out of tune when string breaks as well.

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:57 pm

i like the old steinberger thing, its like a floyd but a much cleaner better design, very reliable.

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:14 pm

A friend of mine back home:

Anyway, It sounds to me like you have 2 actual floyd blocks, 2 jackson style (with the tab), and 2 aftermarket. As far as what goes where, the only ones to worry about are the ones with the tab. The screw hole MUST line up or the hole in the block will be in on an angle and only part of the block will contact the string. Most of the time when this happens the string will slip or break.You can usually use any block in any saddle if it is a real floyd bridge.

Problem solved!

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:05 pm

Well I got the thing back together, and handed it off to the guy. It plays real nice, action is just at 2mm. Floyd Roses are a total pain in the ass. For the life of me, I can not understand how they got so popular.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:11 pm

mezzio13 wrote:Well I got the thing back together, and handed it off to the guy. It plays real nice, action is just at 2mm. Floyd Roses are a total pain in the ass. For the life of me, I can not understand how they got so popular.

Why was it a pain? The intonation and spring tension are initially the only difficult part. Once they are set up they are dummy proof.

Sublimedo · Post by **Sublimedo** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:21 am

Word. Like Fran says, Floyd Roses are extreme fun.

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:01 am

Fran wrote:
mezzio13 wrote:Well I got the thing back together, and handed it off to the guy. It plays real nice, action is just at 2mm. Floyd Roses are a total pain in the ass. For the life of me, I can not understand how they got so popular.
Why was it a pain? The intonation and spring tension are initially the only difficult part. Once they are set up they are dummy proof.

This one has some miles on it, so the string blocks are a bit sloppy. Setting the intonnation means slacking the strings enough to get at the allen screw securing the saddle. Gaps under the block cavity like to let the string get in and crimp at an angle, not allowing for good compression on the block. The springs are the easy part, you just block the bridge into position, tune to pitch and then adjust the springs until your block is lose.

Khalers are 1000x better, you don't have to clip the ball ends off, the string height stays constant, and you can litterally beat the snot out of them. The only advantage floyds have is that you can use a Trem-setter or Tremol-no, where you can't on a flat mount Khaler.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:21 pm

mezzio13 wrote:
Fran wrote:
mezzio13 wrote:Well I got the thing back together, and handed it off to the guy. It plays real nice, action is just at 2mm. Floyd Roses are a total pain in the ass. For the life of me, I can not understand how they got so popular.
Why was it a pain? The intonation and spring tension are initially the only difficult part. Once they are set up they are dummy proof.
This one has some miles on it, so the string blocks are a bit sloppy. Setting the intonnation means slacking the strings enough to get at the allen screw securing the saddle. Gaps under the block cavity like to let the string get in and crimp at an angle, not allowing for good compression on the block. The springs are the easy part, you just block the bridge into position, tune to pitch and then adjust the springs until your block is lose.

Khalers are 1000x better, you don't have to clip the ball ends off, the string height stays constant, and you can litterally beat the snot out of them. The only advantage floyds have is that you can use a Trem-setter or Tremol-no, where you can't on a flat mount Khaler.

I been looking at the new Kahlers as a possible choice for my Jagblaster project. They have a lock off to make it hardtail and although it is still surface mount if route a shallow hole behind the rocking part you can up bend notes like a floyd. The trem i have on the Strat is actually a Kahler rip off called a Washburn 'black shift' Wonder Bar Tremolo. Maybe the installer should have routed for up bends i dunno, but unless i loosen the tension i can't up bend and then it limits the dives.
Knock off Floyds are dirt cheap but like you said, once they wear (especially the knife edges) them become a pain.

If you have a bit of spare time Mezz could you let me know the best price you can get a standard Kahler for? They are rare to non existent in the UK.

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:41 pm

You can order them direct from Kahler, http://www.kahlerusa.com/home.html, or try to find retail locations. Their Hybrid series is about $220, and the Pro Series is about $340.... which answers why Floyds are so popular.....

I can check local retail if you want to work something out.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:43 pm

mezzio13 wrote:You can order them direct from Kahler, http://www.kahlerusa.com/home.html, or try to find retail locations. Their Hybrid series is about $220, and the Pro Series is about $340.... which answers why Floyds are so popular.....

I can check local retail if you want to work something out.

Thanks Mezz.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:27 am

How much is a Floyd in America? Aren't they like, a hundred and eighty quid ever here?