Ibanez Flying Pan reissue

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:17 pm

Cool. I think I like the top left, or the bottom left, although the bottom right will probably be easiest to hide a knob in the middle of.

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:43 pm

Top left, then bottom left.

Sparky · Post by **Sparky** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:21 pm

Top left fo'sho.

And back to relevancy; I'd really like to get a hold of this pedal. Maybe if I sold my EHX Electric Mistress, Small Clone and my OC-2 I could afford one. Nah, I'm okay. I think building a phaser from a kit would be more rewarding than dropping the $$ for a relic'd box...

Post by **Mike** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:22 pm

I haven't looked into phasers yet, but I imagine it means at least 3 ICs.

Sparky · Post by **Sparky** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:28 pm

Mike wrote:I haven't looked into phasers yet, but I imagine it means at least 3 ICs.

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/phaser.html

Looks like a script logo MXR Phase 90 clone. If I had the cash I'd pick that kit up and build it.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:31 pm

I'm sure it is. Looks like six ICs.

Fuck knows how they work. I had to look phasers up when I was writing the Effects page of the wiki and I'm still confused. I just copied it verbatim.

Will · Post by **Will** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:59 am

Phasers use a high-pass capacitor combined with a resistor to emphasize a given frequency, determined by the resistance. The resistance is constantly changed by the JFETs and LFO IC, hence the emphasis is swept up and down. Functionally, it's similar to turning your tone control up and down.
The Phase part comes into play because each of these resistor/capacitor networks is hooked into the inverting input of an OpAmp, which flips the signal's polarity 180 degrees. This usually happens 4 times (in the case of a Phase 90 or SS). Since a Mono device cannot push and pull the signal at the same frequency simultaneously, the frequencies which each stage had in common with the one preceding it are canceled out inversely proportional to their amplitude. Hence, the emphasized frequencies become notches.
Basically the chain is: Buffer-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Buffer-Blend-Out
Finally, a bit of uneffected signal is blended back in to make the effect more subtle.

Sparky · Post by **Sparky** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:15 am

DuoSonicBoy wrote:Phasers use a high-pass capacitor combined with a resistor to emphasize a given frequency, determined by the resistance. The resistance is constantly changed by the JFETs and LFO IC, hence the emphasis is swept up and down. Functionally, it's similar to turning your tone control up and down.
The Phase part comes into play because each of these resistor/capacitor networks is hooked into the inverting input of an OpAmp, which flips the signal's polarity 180 degrees. This usually happens 4 times (in the case of a Phase 90 or SS). Since a Mono device cannot push and pull the signal at the same frequency simultaneously, the frequencies which each stage had in common with the one preceding it are canceled out inversely proportional to their amplitude. Hence, the emphasized frequencies become notches.
Basically the chain is: Buffer-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Buffer-Blend-Out
Finally, a bit of uneffected signal is blended back in to make the effect more subtle.

Holy fuck, what?

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:16 am

Mike wrote:
jcyphe wrote:I see some on ebay. Does anybody know the part name for these on Mouser

Check out tehse guys:
http://www.futurlec.com/PotSliding.shtml

Insanely cheap. Their regular pots are Alphas and sell for $0,50.

Totally recommend them. Are you making a Harmonic Perculator?

No, thanks for the link Mike.

Will · Post by **Will** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:56 am

Sparky wrote:
DuoSonicBoy wrote:Phasers use a high-pass capacitor combined with a resistor to emphasize a given frequency, determined by the resistance. The resistance is constantly changed by the JFETs and LFO IC, hence the emphasis is swept up and down. Functionally, it's similar to turning your tone control up and down.
The Phase part comes into play because each of these resistor/capacitor networks is hooked into the inverting input of an OpAmp, which flips the signal's polarity 180 degrees. This usually happens 4 times (in the case of a Phase 90 or SS). Since a Mono device cannot push and pull the signal at the same frequency simultaneously, the frequencies which each stage had in common with the one preceding it are canceled out inversely proportional to their amplitude. Hence, the emphasized frequencies become notches.
Basically the chain is: Buffer-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Filter-Mod-Flip-Buffer-Blend-Out
Finally, a bit of uneffected signal is blended back in to make the effect more subtle.
Holy fuck, what?

SCIENCE

Post by **Mike** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:25 am

Actually I think teh original signal is blended back to make the effect audible rather than subtle.

Will · Post by **Will** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:48 pm

Mike wrote:Actually I think teh original signal is blended back to make the effect audible rather than subtle.

Yes - 2AM post is inaccurate. It's blended back in with an out-of-phase signal produced by the effect section, causing the corner frequencies to be canceled out. If you disconnect the clean blend, you get a vibrato effect.

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:43 am

BacchusPaul wrote:... the bottom right will probably be easiest to hide a knob in the middle of.

You what?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:50 pm

Have you read the thread?

More Cowbell · Post by **More Cowbell** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:54 pm

Can aen or mike make a copy of this pedal but call it "flying poo" with a pic of a monkey instead of a bug with wings?

if so...How much?

Do it.

Sublimedo · Post by **Sublimedo** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:13 pm

More Cowbell wrote:Can aen or mike make a copy of this pedal but call it "flying poo" with a pic of a monkey instead of a bug with wings?

YES!!! DO WANT!

More Cowbell · Post by **More Cowbell** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:17 pm

Can I cry and whine for a discount or complimentary 1st pedal?

Sublimedo · Post by **Sublimedo** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:28 pm

If I had my own fully running mega pedal production company I'd give old school shortscalers free shit all the time. But alas, I'm just a slacker.

arcadedave · Post by **arcadedave** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:06 pm

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