What do you use for vocals?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:03 pm

ultraviolence wrote:anyone got anything good to say about the fender frontman?

or is it really as bad as the kids on UG say?

The Frontman's are alright clean, but to my ears, the distortion channel on all of them is terrible. Its like a MT-2 gone horribly wrong, and not in a good way. The 212 is f-ing loud for the price though...If you want a good 212 combo, I'd go with a Peavey Valve King all the way, its all tube and kicks ass. But the MG or Crate Flexwave is more in your price range. A guy in a local band has a Flexwave 212, and as long as you don't get crazy with the knobs and keep the gain reasonable, it sounds decent for CHEEP!

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:04 pm

Wilbur wrote:
ultraviolence wrote:anyone got anything good to say about the fender frontman?

or is it really as bad as the kids on UG say?
The Frontman's are alright clean, but to my ears, the distortion channel on all of them is terrible. Its like a MT-2 gone horribly wrong, and not in a good way. The 212 is f-ing loud for the price though...If you want a good 212 combo, I'd go with a Peavey Valve King all the way, its all tube and kicks ass. But the MG or Crate Flexwave is more in your price range. A guy in a local band has a Flexwave 212, and as long as you don't get crazy with the knobs and keep the gain reasonable, it sounds decent for CHEEP!

is the distortion even bad with a pedal?

cause for my effects I use pedals

EDIT : I know I would probably prefer the sound of a tube amp, but it would just be really inconvenient when I have to replace the valves, I wouldn't trust myself with changing them, so until I save up for a Hot Rod I don't think I'll buy a tube amp anytime soon

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:14 pm

Tubes don't need changing very often, it's stupid to not buy the best amp you can because you're worried about changing the tubes. Take it to a tech who can change them and bias it and you'll be laughing.

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:16 pm

Zaphod wrote:Tubes don't need changing very often, it's stupid to not buy the best amp you can because you're worried about changing the tubes. Take it to a tech who can change them and bias it and you'll be laughing.

Yeah I heard alot of times they last for atleast a year, but they can blows at any time randomly, how much are tubes to change?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:16 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/VOX-AD100VT-XL-VALV ... dZViewItem

Do it...

Why are you worried about changing tubes? It shouldn't be a frequent thing. Also, yes, the Frontman can sound decent with pedals. Out of curiousity, what do you use?

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:18 pm

Wilbur wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/VOX-AD100VT-XL-VALV ... dZViewItem

Do it...

Why are you worried about changing tubes? It shouldn't be a frequent thing. Also, yes, the Frontman can sound decent with pedals. Out of curiousity, what do you use?

that amp is a little pricey.

I found a 160 wat Crate for 225$ used...looks interesting + I guess I'll have a fuckload of headroom?

Guitar - Jagmaster (hopefully going to get a mustang in about a month or two)

pedals - I'm either replacing my dead DS-1 with another DS-1 or a Super Distortion today, a FAB Hash Brown flanger (I wanna get the BOSS one) and in a few weeks I'm gonna get a Big Muff pedal, maybe an OD pedal, and a small clone.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:21 pm

ultraviolence wrote:
Wilbur wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/VOX-AD100VT-XL-VALV ... dZViewItem

Do it...

Why are you worried about changing tubes? It shouldn't be a frequent thing. Also, yes, the Frontman can sound decent with pedals. Out of curiousity, what do you use?
Guitar - Jagmaster (hopefully going to get a mustang in about a month or two)

pedals - I'm either replacing my dead DS-1 with another DS-1 or a Super Distortion today, a FAB Hash Brown flanger (I wanna get the BOSS one) and in a few weeks I'm gonna get a Big Muff pedal, maybe an OD pedal, and a small clone.

Sounds like you are off to a pretty good start. Your setup would sound kick anus through that Vox or a Valve King. If you can, spring for one of those before you settle for a Crate, Much less the Fender...When possible, go tube...

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:25 pm

Wilbur wrote:
ultraviolence wrote:
Wilbur wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/VOX-AD100VT-XL-VALV ... dZViewItem

Do it...

Why are you worried about changing tubes? It shouldn't be a frequent thing. Also, yes, the Frontman can sound decent with pedals. Out of curiousity, what do you use?
Guitar - Jagmaster (hopefully going to get a mustang in about a month or two)

pedals - I'm either replacing my dead DS-1 with another DS-1 or a Super Distortion today, a FAB Hash Brown flanger (I wanna get the BOSS one) and in a few weeks I'm gonna get a Big Muff pedal, maybe an OD pedal, and a small clone.
Sounds like you are off to a pretty good start. Your setup would sound kick anus through that Vox or a Valve King. If you can, spring for one of those before you settle for a Crate, Much less the Fender...When possible, go tube...

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/prod ... sku=481959

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Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:28 pm

Thats the model...but you might want more power, just saying...

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:34 pm

Wilbur wrote:Thats the model...but you might want more power, just saying...

oh, I thought 30 wat tube amp was enough?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:44 pm

The lead guitarist in one of my bands uses a 30w 110, and it makes it over drums, bass, and another guitarist, but only just...

For gigs, you'll want 50, for practice and jamming, 30 does fine...for most, that is...

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:47 pm

ultraviolence wrote:oh, I thought 30 wat tube amp was enough?

It's not a tube amp. It's a digital modelling amp with a tube in the preamp (I think).
Great amps though, I don't know how loud the 30 is compared to the 50. See if you can try one out in a shop to see if it's loud enough.

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:57 pm

hmm...in that case the crate is probably what I am leaning towards

there's also a gt 212 out there i asked for it to go to 250-275, let's see what the guy says.

the GT looks real powerful for the money

ElCapitan · Post by **ElCapitan** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:53 pm

Get a Big Muff though, waaaay better than a DS-1. Plus it's huge and imposing and loud and noisy and awesome. Plus it's called a Big Muff, vagina jokes ftw.

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:29 pm

hmmm, right now I can get a Crate GX-160 for 225, a peavey bandit 112 for 180, or a Crate GT-212 for 275

I'm leaning towards the 212 because it has 2 speakers, and I may be able to get it for 250

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:55 pm

ultraviolence wrote:hmmm, right now I can get a Crate GX-160 for 225, a peavey bandit 112 for 180, or a Crate GT-212 for 275

I'm leaning towards the 212 because it has 2 speakers, and I may be able to get it for 250

Do it,..peavey bandits are nice but for this money....GT 212 + Big Muff= f-ing awesome

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:49 pm

Wilbur wrote:
ultraviolence wrote:hmmm, right now I can get a Crate GX-160 for 225, a peavey bandit 112 for 180, or a Crate GT-212 for 275

I'm leaning towards the 212 because it has 2 speakers, and I may be able to get it for 250
Do it,..peavey bandits are nice but for this money....GT 212 + Big Muff= f-ing awesome

I got the double muff yesterday, it's actually pretty much like a more versitile DS-1, but a little different. The assholes at the store told me they had the Super Distortion (over the phone), all they had was Super Overdrive, DS-1, DS-2, and turbo distortion, and then he tells me the super distortion was discontinued -_-

so he gave me like 5 bucks off of the double muff, it sounds pretty good, I was impressed.

kim · Post by **kim** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:36 am

um... a fender solid state stage 100 cranked and with reverb maxed out lol i do use a pedal to turn the mic signal on and off at rehearsals because otherwise it floods everything with feedback
..well sometimes i try to turn down the reverb, but that guitar amp is the only amp i use for vocals to rehearse really, can't be bothered to spend money on 'real' mic amplificiation, it's ghetto stylez

ultraviolence · Post by **ultraviolence** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:32 pm

I'm just wondering, but would it be possible to have the GT-212 playing at like 5 wats? or is there only a certain volume it can lower to, before it closes?

also, does anyone know if there's a switch or something that will allow you to have 1 speaker going at a time, instead of two?