Japanese Jaguar VS American vintage Jaguar SOUND CLASH!!!!!

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:57 pm

Yeah so I recorded both and let your ears be the decider.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N38UNMVA

In case you can't understand my ramblings it is always japanese first followed by vintage, neck then bridge clean dirt then fuzz.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:59 pm

Awesome. DOWNLOADIN;'

aen · Post by **aen** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:04 pm

I htought for sure you did have sex with men in yoru mouth. Hmm, learn somethin every day i guess.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:12 pm

Standard tuning Hurb? New one sounds lovely.

Although, I can't listen to the first riff without hearing Tracy Chapman...

Second riff maybe being The Breeders has helped redress the balance.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:14 pm

Man the Vintage Jaguar has so much more body to the sound in the Bridge position (Mike Land), but it's incredibly subtle.

Really cool thing to do mate.

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:14 pm

i have no idea what you are rambling on about, i think i understood "gold"

but the fiddles sound fantastic

both are rocking to my ears

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:24 pm

benecol wrote:Standard tuning Hurb? New one sounds lovely.

afraid so, been recording pixies for comp init.

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:25 pm

Mike wrote:Man the Vintage Jaguar has so much more body to the sound in the Bridge position (Mike Land), but it's incredibly subtle.

Really cool thing to do mate.

yeah the vintage wins, but like you say its subtle. although the more dirt you put on the more you hear it.

yeah lets get rid of some cork sniffery lol

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:26 pm

serfx wrote:i have no idea what you are rambling on about, i think i understood "gold"

but the fiddles sound fantastic

both are rocking to my ears

I never once said gold.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:27 pm

You're definitely not going to hear it at a gig, or on a record if you can EQ the tracks afterwards (which you always can). A bit of mic placement could thicken up the Japanese version.

The microphonics really appear to be the only issue besides the "feel" of the guitar.

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:34 pm

Mike wrote:You're definitely not going to hear it at a gig, or on a record if you can EQ the tracks afterwards (which you always can). A bit of mic placement could thicken up the Japanese version.

The microphonics really appear to be the only issue besides the "feel" of the guitar.

One thing I must say is, my first jaguar wasn't as nice as this jaguar is I don't know what to blame that on.
One thing to note also is the jap jaguar appears to be ash, and the vintage i think is alder.
Also another thing I forgot was, with the pickups I cant get them as close to strings as you can on the vintage, any closer than I have them and you get that horrible string pulling sound...I think the problem is the magnets in the new one are stronger and pull more than the vintage...this would be my guess but that's all it is.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:36 pm

Interesting.

I always thought the Japanese Jaguars were Basswood or Alder and defo Alder if they were Sunburst, sicne Basswood is so fugly.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:37 pm

i'm pretty stunned by how close they sound. no way would i say there's a grand or more's worth of difference between them.

i imagine there's a fair bit of difference in playability though...

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:40 pm

Mike wrote:Interesting.

I always thought the Japanese Jaguars were Basswood or Alder and defo Alder if they were Sunburst, sicne Basswood is so fugly.

I could be horribly wrong about the ash...but I rarely am

luckily because of the looony paint strip job the dude did on the guitar. I can see the wood quite clearly. in places.

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:46 pm

stewart wrote:i'm pretty stunned by how close they sound. no way would i say there's a grand or more's worth of difference between them.

i imagine there's a fair bit of difference in playability though...

The trem is big difference, the neck is fine although it's a little more uncomfortable near the headstock than the vintage. and the new frets have worn my fingers out a bit..I am used to low vintagey frets. not that the new jags frets are stupid high or anything.

The contours are better ona vintage so the guitar tends to hug your body more...but the Jaguar shape is so comfy anyway you could have no contours and not be as uncomfortable as you would be with tele or something.
Any other playability issues I tweaked out with a decent setup.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:55 pm

did you say in the other thread you'd stuck a vintage trem on it?

i'm glad you've done this comparison, i'd be much less hesitant in future about buying a jap one and replacing a few bits of hardware with better components now.

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:58 pm

stewart wrote:did you say in the other thread you'd stuck a vintage trem on it?

i'm glad you've done this comparison, i'd be much less hesitant in future about buying a jap one and replacing a few bits of hardware with better components now.

yeah I have. I had it hanging around. I would recommend anyone to get a avri trem for there jap offsetts. I have learned to love em over vintage ones.

blacktaxi · Post by **blacktaxi** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:08 pm

awesome stuff! thanks much

oh god it's so interesting! gonna listen to it asap...

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:29 pm

i know i took shots a long time ago and posted them up after aug said basswood was crappy and poplar was far superior.
but depending on the basswood region it can have some really nice grain to it.
and i have run into multiple peices that actually have ribbons(figured) on the grain.
i just recently burned a peice i was keeping to prove this point.
its odd that your jap jag might be ash just becuz i have never heard of it, but then again, that jag is a rather rare piece so you never can be sure.

r40f · Post by **r40f** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:37 pm

imo the clean tone of the vintage is much better, but once you add any kind of distortion, i can't tell between the two. i'd guess the vintage pickups are what's better about the sound - is that true?