Does anyone use a "BuzzStop" with their Jaguar?

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:06 am

I was on another site when I spotted a strange contraption connected to the front of a Jaguar tremolo. It's called a "BuzzStop" and it significantly increases the break angle coming off the bridge.

Just curious whether anyone has used one of these and if so, how it changed the tone on your Jaguar.

Here's where you can get 'em (at $40 they're not super cheap) -- that'll get me a good set of EL84's with some money to spare!

http://www.guitar-parts.com/content/est ... roduct=764

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:38 am

when i got my avri it came with one, i left it on there for a few months, then took it off. honestly i did not notice much difference.
especially in "tone".

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:43 am

These things were designed for "Old School" Jags and Jazzmasters.

It might be a tight fit on the new Classic Player Jag Specials because the trem has already been moved closer to the bridge. I eyeballed the setup, and it seems like a "BuzzStop" will fit...but just barely. If so, I'll end up with an even steeper break angle on th Jag compared to a stock Gibson SG Classic!

I wonder: how steep is "too steep" for a break angle?

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:45 am

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:51 am

you don't want to use it on the new mexi jags.
when you have too much of a break angle you run into some problems like....
tuning, believe it or not.
the inscreased angle and tension will also wear down your bridge over time(a few years)
and the biggest one is that it will in turn cause certain strings to break over the bridge.
i still have the one i got with my american vintage jag.
not sure why i kept it, but i got it.

aen · Post by **aen** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:55 am

You'll never need one on a MIM jag, those things are tight as hell and solid as a rock. I fucking Townshended the JM and the Jag and the guilded angle hair that fender strings up their guitars with stayed right where it belonged.

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:56 am

robert(original) wrote:you don't want to use it on the new mexi jags.

Damn it!

I was trying to deal with my current GAS attack by spending $40 on a "BuzzStop".

Now I'll have no choice but to drop $599 on a new Egnater Rebel 20 amp head and $249 on an Egnater 1x12 cab!

This is bad news all around.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:58 am

Why would you want a buzz stop on a mexi jag anyway?

Thom · Post by **Thom** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:18 pm

I've got one on my Jag, but next time I change strings it's coming off.

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:33 pm

robert(original) wrote:when i got my avri it came with one, i left it on there for a few months, then took it off. honestly i did not notice much difference.
especially in "tone".

Same here.

I would find it more beneficial for keeping the strings in their saddles... more than anythin else.

But because I think they're ugly I've removed it...

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:08 pm

i remember lightrail used a peice of plexi glass or something where the buzz stop normally would go, it looked way better(becuz you couldn't really see it)
and it had lightrail mojo.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:55 pm

Zaphod wrote:Why would you want a buzz stop on a mexi jag anyway?

Extra tones.

You don't need a buzzstop, Kurt didn't use one, so you probably shoudln't either.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:43 pm

Zaphod wrote:Why would you want a buzz stop on a mexi jag anyway?

If you were completely stupid and didn't understand that's why the tremelo is in a different position?

Or if you were just easily led by internet hyperbole?

aen · Post by **aen** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:56 pm

MOre like hyper bowl. Of weed

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:43 pm

I use one with my burgundy mist but in a way it was'nt specifically designed for.
I installed a full size humbucker in the bridge which in turn amplified the 'third harmonics' behind the bridge, when i played with high gain i was getting undertones that were very audible, almost like a delayed layer of harmonics. Breaking the angle or distance of the strings behind the bridge put a stop to this, its the only answer on a CIJ Jaguar unless you permanently palm mute. Although i have'nt yet tried a TOM, which may be an alternative solution.
On a mexi Jag they have shortened the string distance by moving the trem system forward, which in turn should mean the buzzstop is no longer needed due to improved angle and shorter distance.. however, if you were to install a high output pup like an EMG 81 for example, you may find the third harmonics a problem.

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:51 pm

Even with the new forward position of the trem on the CP Jag HH, the break angle is still very shallow compared to my SG Classic with its TOM & stoptail. The SG sustains forever.

My question was rhetorical, but like clockwork a bunch of you wasted no time in throwing out the "stupid" moniker.

I keep forgetting that I need to make sure any mod I'm considering making to my Jaguar (even if it's a "rhetorical mod") need to be approved by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of ShortScale.org.. (When will I learn?)

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:00 pm

Armchair Bronco wrote:Even with the new forward position of the trem on the CP Jag HH, the break angle is still very shallow compared to my SG Classic with its TOM & stoptail. The SG sustains forever.

My question was rhetorical, but like clockwork a bunch of you wasted no time in throwing out the "stupid" moniker.

One person used the word stupid, and even then, the use of the word stupid referred more to the rhetorical thought processes of the rhetorical person that might put a buzzstop on a Mexican Jaguar. Given the way in which the word was used, this is hardly something that you can get annoyed at, especially given that you were asking the question rhetorically.

Most of the people answering in this thread gave you useful advice.

Armchair Bronco wrote: I keep forgetting that I need to make sure any mod I'm considering making to my Jaguar (even if it's a "rhetorical mod") need to be approved by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of ShortScale.org.. (When will I learn?)

We're not communists. I'm not sure where that came from. Furthurmore, you asked for advice about a modification, and received frank and useful replies. If you don't like the fairly tame slagging that also happened as a result of you not knowing what a buzzstop is or when it should be applied, then don't ask questions.

(by all means, ask questions, that's sort of the point of this place, but don't be surprised if along with useful advice there is some comment too)

Post by **Mike** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:03 pm

It's so tiresome when he cries like that.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:13 pm

Armchair Bronco wrote:Even with the new forward position of the trem on the CP Jag HH, the break angle is still very shallow compared to my SG Classic with its TOM & stoptail. The SG sustains forever.)

What is you actual problem with the jaguar?
Are the strings jumping? Are you getting overtones from behind the bridge? Why do you want to put a buzz stop on it?
If you bought a jaguar thinking it's to have mega sustain you really should have reasearched before you bought it, of course the sg sustains forever, its a set neck stoptail guitar.

Go and get your jaguar.
Plug it in.
Play it.
Do you like how it sounds and feels?
If not, a buzz stop isn't going to change anything.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:16 pm

Why would anyone want to make a guitar sound like another anyway?

The Jaguar has it's sound and it's place. Like Zaphod says, if you struggle with it so much, why not admit that you're just not a fan.
I'm sure Kurt won't mind, after all, he shot himself in the face years ago.