how to you make that new shitty robot hip hop vocal sound?

Post by **Mike** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:15 am

I have a hair-trigger when it comes to Kanye. He has some good tunes, he's still not God's Gift To Hip-Hop though.

Jesse · Post by **Jesse** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:42 pm

More Cowbell wrote:
Mike wrote:Auto Tune is so abhorrent. If you can't sing, don't.
QFT. and get off the radio.

And the stage. I remember discussing this in school.... it's now becoming more and more common for auto-tune to be used live.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:29 pm

i guess the live aplication is what i was more interested in.

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im more interested in this as a technical aspect of the music in a live situation. not so much that i like the performer / style of music or whatever.

is there stage equipment to do this? or is he just lip syncing to a track made in the studio?

euan · Post by **euan** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:37 pm

No he is singing into a laptop or something hosting the vst which will be using a midi track all prepared to do the tuning. Thats the way a lot of things work these days.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:42 pm

euan wrote:No he is singing into a laptop or something hosting the vst which will be using a midi track all prepared to do the tuning. Thats the way a lot of things work these days. That's the way a lot of cunts roll these days

Fucking hell that Kanye song is shit.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:26 pm

so there is nothing that can change your voice "real time"
you have to prepare everything before hand?

thats too much fucking work.

i just want to walk around the apartment with a wireless mike and talk like a robot all day. mikrokorgs dont do it for me because you have to be strapped into the keyboard and hitting notes all at the same time with your fingers.

ultratwin · Post by **ultratwin** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:13 pm

euan wrote:No he is singing into a laptop or something hosting the vst which will be using a midi track all prepared to do the tuning. Thats the way a lot of things work these days.

BZZZT. That could be the case in this day and age, but just the same may be the following, as something Rob could benefit from: There is a classic (it's been around for a decade now) Antares standalone "outboard" rackmount that can do that in realtime without a dedicated comp system, and every studio in Korea had them before the software improvements from Autotune 3 and up came out. In other words, now they're pretty much unused dinosaurs. Do a search for the Antares ATR-1, as they can be found used for under $400.

Rob can now be instant Cher, on the fly.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:30 pm

How do you input the midi/melody into it?

Post by **Doog** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:38 pm

Maybe it just corrects you to the nearest note?

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:48 pm

The auto-tune i've used you give it a key and chromatic major or minorand it corrects your voice in real time based on that.

Weird-o cool results choosing wrong keys n such.

Post by **Doog** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:52 pm

Ah yeah, that's possible- I guess if it knows the key, and you're not straying outside of it, it'll know where you're aiming.

Although I'm sure there's a big fat red comedy "KEY CHANGE" button that shifts everything up a tone for the final choruses of S-Club/Steps/Westlife/Boyzone numbers.

ultratwin · Post by **ultratwin** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:01 pm

Yar. Judging by the unedited flutter on notes that weren't quite "on", that Kanye clip sounds like simple realtime autotune and not like vocoded/filtered synthesis stuff.

And Doog, you just nailed it on the final chorus thing: I've literally doen that on heaps of pop track BGVs over here when a mid-tempo ballad takes a dip upward. I simply couldn't resist, and you know how tracking 8 background lines on a 16-measure refrain can tax the patience, non?

Post by **Mike** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:01 pm

Doog wrote:Maybe it just corrects you to the nearest note?

That's not the same effect though is it? This robot shit is about it jumping several tones.

Post by **Doog** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:08 pm

Yeah, but a realtime pitch correction surely can't do it another way? The robot voice stuff is about using unnatural sounding settings to quickly change notes as an effect, rather than a kinda more natural(ish) change (see Army by Ben Folds 5 for an okay example)..

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"So I took mYYYYY old man's advice.."

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Ellen gets her Cher on

You can hear it correct to bum notes because she's clearly not hitting the notes as good as a half decent singer would. It even has a bash to get speech to a "correct" pitch.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:16 pm

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO FUCKING DO ALL DAY HERE IN MY APARTMENT.

WHY CAN ELLEN DO IT AND NOT ROBROE?

Post by **Doog** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:19 pm

I think realtime stuff is pricey, my bandmate/producer friend has an Autotune plugin on Cubase that does the same thing but I'm not sure if it can do it realtime.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:23 pm

robroe wrote:THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO FUCKING DO ALL DAY HERE IN MY APARTMENT.

You are a strange man.

ultratwin · Post by **ultratwin** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:29 pm

I've got Autotune-4, and both it and AT3 can do realtime, as a track-applied plugin with record/play thru on one's sequencer enabled. Sure enough, you can set it for all kinds of parameters for anything from simple pentatonic to 56-tone Turkish scales, etc. Ellen DGNR8 has hers set on chromatic followed by what sounds like a simple distortion, as her basic vocal timbre seems to be fairly well preserved amidst the dist, rather than being all synthy.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:31 pm

me and this kid are like long lost twin souls in the night.

PISS IS YELLOW I LIKE PISSSSS BECAUSE ITS YELLOOOOW

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Post by **Mike** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:36 pm

I refuse to believe that's not you.