Champion 600 RI

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:27 pm

does anyone have any experience with these?

i have been thinking of getting one, just to have a nice sounding apartment amp, as my HRD will be moving to the recording/ rehearsal space pretty soon. i cant really use it here anyway.

i have been sort of obsessed with the idea of an amp with so little headroom that you just crank it and your guitar controls are your amp controls. seems fun and raw and creative to me. something tells me my melody maker and silvertone would both sound incredible thru a tiny tube amp.

i would be willing to do some modification too, if the amp seems worth it. might even make a good recording tool.

anyway, any input?

PS- sorry if these hav been talked to death already, or anything. i did a search and couldnt really find much.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:36 pm

i was tempted to buy one a few months back. i've played a couple at a local shop near me, and was really quite impressed.

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:42 pm

St. Jimmy wrote:i was tempted to buy one a few months back. i've played a couple at a local shop near me, and was really quite impressed.

oooh, dont tell me that shit. i have to save moneyz!!!

i can justify a small amp if i move the bigun out of the house, though.

is domokun over? because i just thought of a theme for TEH CHAMPION KUSTOMIZZASHUNZZ!

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:42 pm

I've had one for about 3 weeks, well the Gretsch G5222, which is the same. It hums too much, but sounds good. Not rehearsed with it yet, so I don't know if it'll be loud enough when playing with a drummer, but it's nice for playing in the living room.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:44 pm

timhulio wrote:I've had one for about 3 weeks, well the Gretsch G5222, which is the same. It hums too much, but sounds good. Not rehearsed with it yet, so I don't know if it'll be loud enough when playing with a drummer, but it's nice for playing in the living room.

yeah, when i played the ones at the shop, i didn't know if it would get out in front of a band w/o some help from a p.a., but for recording/rehearsal/fucking around, i think it's sweet tits mcgee.

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:46 pm

i wonder if theres anythingyou can do to get the hum out...

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:51 pm

Some people have said it's just the routing of the wires that causes the hum. It's not bad enough to bother me.

Thom · Post by **Thom** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:51 pm

Zaphod's got one I believe...

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:51 pm

It's probably due to the fact it has cheap transformers and poor shielding and coiling of the heater filament cables. I.e. nothing that is cheap (and not potentially dangerous) to try and fix yourself.

mickie08 · Post by **mickie08** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:52 pm

It's more expensive, but check out the Blackstar ht-5. I got one of the stack versions. It is 2 channel w/footswitch and 3 band EQ. You could probably gig with it....definitely smaller gigs or a/b and use the HRD for cleans and the ht5 for dirt...

Look at the blackstar thread to see some pics, etc.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:52 pm

Mine dun gone BOOMded.

But it was good while it was working, I think it needs a speaker ugprade though, bit too farty with low notes.

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:53 pm

Mike wrote:It's probably due to the fact it has cheap transformers and poor shielding and coiling of the heater filament cables. I.e. nothing that is cheap (and not potentially dangerous) to try and fix yourself.

hmm...

luckily, hum doesnt really bother me. my HRD is quiet enough, and i would be using this amp for teh dirty tonez anyway. or practice.

thanks for all the feedback.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:54 pm

Bear in mind that 5 watts or not, it's going to be loud as hell if you want it to crunch up. It has no Master Volume so you'll be making a LOT of noise to get it dirty. I think Mickie is right - the Blackstat HT-5 looks good, or a Tiny Terror. Both are Master Volume heads with Overdrive sounds.

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:12 pm

those are good amps, but i can't justify the cost. good point about the master volume tho. looks like ill still need my dist+ for the medium volume dirty tones.

plus, domo600 ftw:

william · Post by **william** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:18 pm

also, isnt there a way i can replace tubes to make it break up at lower volumes? couldnt be expensive to do, as it only has 2 tubes. also, those lil speakers cant be too expensive.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:19 pm

It's not that loud really, I used ti play mine wide open, or as qide open as I could get it without the speaker going all flubby and it was fine at home.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:10 pm

I have one and I love, although the speaker that's in it sin't up to much, so I'm usually using mine with a cabinet.

It only has a four ohm output, which is annoying, given how much better it is through a cabinet.

I have gigged with mine before, using somebody elses four ohm four by ten. It sounded amazing, and was plenty loud for a decent sized venue (that place was about two hundred, two fifty capacity), although we don't have a drummer, so I don't know how well it would keep up with that.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:25 pm

I'd love to have a four ohm cab to play it through. It should be alright with a 8 ohm as well shouldn't it?

Why they made the PPC112 16 ohm I will never know.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:29 pm

It sounds good with an eight ohm, but ever since I blew my last one up, I've been cautious about putting it through that.

The four ohm sounded a good bit better and more open/airy/mojoriffic. It was also a good deal louder.

I don't know how much of the difference in tone was down to the fact that I'm comparing a four ohm/eight ohm or im comparing a 410/412. I'd imagine that the 410 is going to sound more trebly and stuff anyway.

Thom · Post by **Thom** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:30 pm

Zaphod wrote:Why they made the PPC112 16 ohm I will never know.

So you can use 2 of them with Orange heads