Cindicaster Mk.I project thread

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:42 pm

Okay, so ultra is a fucking gent and he gave me the body for the original cindicaster. dots needs to name his price for the body so i can make a donaysh to the SS fund. anyway, i'm going to need your collective help here short scale. i've decided to use the guitar as a gateway into me learning how to properly wire up and set up a guitar. i'm super stoked on this. i have a general idea of where i'm going with this, but i've got some preliminary concerns.

Here's what it looks like at this very moment:

CONCERN 1: 4 Way Switch. No idea how to wire the PUPs to it. Gonna need some help there gang.

Concern 2: i may have to get a different neck maybe...no matter what i do, i can't get the fucking thing to sit flush in the neck pocket. Maybe my neck installation tactics are all fuckered up though. So yeah, let's start there.

Help me learn how to make a guitar. I will pay you all in kisses.

Just so you know here's what i'm thinking for pups:

NECK PUP
BRIDGE PUP

And of course I'd like to add comp stripes and speed knobs.

James · Post by **James** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:48 pm

What do you want the 4-way to do?

Something like this?

- Bridge only
- Both series
- Both parrallel
- Neck only

If you do there are lots of tele wiring diagrams that will almost certainly match up to that type of switch.

James · Post by **James** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:51 pm

Lank

That's the standard 4-way Tele wiring from Seymour Duncan. You could do other things with it though.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:57 pm

James wrote:Lank

That's the standard 4-way Tele wiring from Seymour Duncan. You could do other things with it though.

FUCK YEAH! Thanks dude! I can't wait to make this thing sing! and yeah, i want bridge only, both series, both parallel, neck only. sweet cheese!

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:59 pm

That's the bridge pickup I have in my tele: it's fucking ace, and loud enough to keep up with a neck humbucker (unlike the ones on the MIM 72). I went for the GFS Memphis in the neck, and it's a pretty useful combination.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:59 pm

How are the bolts lined up when the neck is there? Will they be lined up if you can get the neck further down?

You definitely need to sand the corners of the neck to get it to fit snug, and then depending on the bolt placement you might have to dowel and glue the current ones and redrill some newbies.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:43 pm

If the neck sits really low in the pocket you may need to shim it to accomodate the neck pickup, i had this problem on a Musicmaster. Could you shorten the pickup mount screws? Are they stopping the pup sitting low or is the whole route too shallow? I'd use a small steel rule and start comparing some depth measurements.
Like Mike suggested with the neck plate bolts... if they dont line up, fill the holes with cocktail sticks (hardwood) and PVA glue. Then you will have to redrill the holes (once set and cut flush). Make sure you use either a pillar drill or a drill guide with a bradpoint drill bit, that way you will get accurate 90 degrees holes instead of pissed up angled holes.

The switch is standard Tele like James said.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:42 pm

benecol wrote:That's the bridge pickup I have in my tele: it's fucking ace, and loud enough to keep up with a neck humbucker (unlike the ones on the MIM 72). I went for the GFS Memphis in the neck, and it's a pretty useful combination.

sweet! glad i'm on the right track pup-wise.

mike-i will definitely sand the corners of the neck heel down, thinking about it more, i think that's spot-on to what the problem/solution will be.

fran-ace advice as well. i'll check that out when i get to the point of actually dropping the pickups in. i can't wait to try this. if i can manage this, i'll feel a lot more confident about future jobbies. worst case i'll fuck it up and take it to a shop to have it done.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:22 pm

Is it a Squier neck? What's the story with some necks having right angled ends and some having curved ends? It's a Fender/Squier issue, isn't it?

Also, I'd have thought that sanding the corners off would knock the intonation off by a quarter of an inch or so. I suppose there's more than enough length in the screws of a Tele bridge to make that okay though.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:39 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:Also, I'd have thought that sanding the corners off would knock the intonation off by a quarter of an inch or so.

If the bridge is set for a standard 25" scale neck he should be looking for a measurement of 25" from the inside of the nut to the centre of the bridge or saddles. I think he will get away with it, but its a good idea to check beforehand.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:59 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:Is it a Squier neck? What's the story with some necks having right angled ends and some having curved ends? It's a Fender/Squier issue, isn't it?

Also, I'd have thought that sanding the corners off would knock the intonation off by a quarter of an inch or so. I suppose there's more than enough length in the screws of a Tele bridge to make that okay though.

it's actually a mighty mite neck. i like the look and feel of it...it' just not getting down perfectly flush with the "back" of the neck pocket...maybe I needs one of those tele necks with that "overhang" on the heel of the neck?

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:08 pm

St. Jimmy wrote:
BacchusPaul wrote:Is it a Squier neck? What's the story with some necks having right angled ends and some having curved ends? It's a Fender/Squier issue, isn't it?

Also, I'd have thought that sanding the corners off would knock the intonation off by a quarter of an inch or so. I suppose there's more than enough length in the screws of a Tele bridge to make that okay though.
it's actually a mighty mite neck. i like the look and feel of it...it' just not getting down perfectly flush with the "back" of the neck pocket...maybe I needs one of those tele necks with that "overhang" on the heel of the neck?

Do you know where the bridge saddles will be positioned or have the bridge? If so, put the neck in place like on the photo and measure from the nut (fret side) to the saddle. If its over 25" then sanding it wont cause a problem, if its already under we need to rethink here.
The bridge could be repositioned i suppose, is the body already drilled for string-through? I assume its going to be a Tele bridge on there.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:16 pm

Fran means 25.5" of course.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:36 pm

Fran wrote:
St. Jimmy wrote:
BacchusPaul wrote:Is it a Squier neck? What's the story with some necks having right angled ends and some having curved ends? It's a Fender/Squier issue, isn't it?

Also, I'd have thought that sanding the corners off would knock the intonation off by a quarter of an inch or so. I suppose there's more than enough length in the screws of a Tele bridge to make that okay though.
it's actually a mighty mite neck. i like the look and feel of it...it' just not getting down perfectly flush with the "back" of the neck pocket...maybe I needs one of those tele necks with that "overhang" on the heel of the neck?
Do you know where the bridge saddles will be positioned or have the bridge? If so, put the neck in place like on the photo and measure from the nut (fret side) to the saddle. If its over 25" then sanding it wont cause a problem, if its already under we need to rethink here.
The bridge could be repositioned i suppose, is the body already drilled for string-through? I assume its going to be a Tele bridge on there.

don't have the bridge yet...will hopefull have it by the time i come back from HOTlanta this week...i'll definitely measure. it's drilled for string through, yeah...but can't i put a vintage style tele bridge and just have it be top loading? or will that be lamegay/not work?

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:37 pm

Good point

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:15 am

I'm not particularly experienced at this stuff, but I reckon there's going to be enough travel in the bridge screws on a tele that it won't really matter where you put the neck (shove it up your ass), and sort of have two solutions to make it look neat. Either round the butt of the neck by sanding it down (don't think I'd do this, seems a bit permanent, like) or bolt it on where it sits and have a guard cut to cover the gap.

Half of one, six dozen of the other, like.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:14 am

BacchusPaul wrote:I'm not particularly experienced at this stuff, but I reckon there's going to be enough travel in the bridge screws on a tele that it won't really matter where you put the neck (shove it up your ass), and sort of have two solutions to make it look neat. Either round the butt of the neck by sanding it down (don't think I'd do this, seems a bit permanent, like) or bolt it on where it sits and have a guard cut to cover the gap.

Half of one, six dozen of the other, like.

you know, you're probably 100% right...i don't think it'll make a bit of difference at the end of the day...but i bought some sand paper just in case when i get around to putting it together that it does fuck something up having that gap.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:19 am

I think I'd be reluctant to sand it. I'm sure it'll be fine, but isn't rosewood a bit flaky?

Where's Robert, he's yer man to be asking about this stuff.

JamesSmann · Post by **JamesSmann** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:21 am

BacchusPaul wrote:I think I'd be reluctant to sand it. I'm sure it'll be fine, but isn't rosewood a bit flaky?

Where's Robert, he's yer man to be asking about this stuff.

it's a maple neck though dawg...

i'm only sanding it if it makes a big issue for me with intonation/action/etc.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:22 am

Hmmm, that is maple right 'nuff.