what's with Gavin's strat?

Post by **Mike** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:28 am

It's also worth noting that the beautiful piano line in Pink Moon is just him walking past the piano playing the notes as he goes. Gareth & I hate him for coming up with that. The fucking genius.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:34 am

it is?
it's so simple but it works perfectly.

as a result of pink moon i've been going crazy with alt tunings recently.
if i can't reach a note, down goes string tuning and you end up with crap like... *checks acoustic*

CACGAD

no idea how i got to there, i'll write a song in it then forget what the tuning was next week.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:36 am

Are you a fan of Elliott Smith yet? I need to make a megamix and get it uploaded.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:37 am

XO is in my top twenty.

maybe top ten, depends on the week.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:54 am

Elliott Smith is one of my faves. Heatmiser were well good too.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:57 am

yeah I love them - I have all their records.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:07 pm

ES makes me sad that I don't have a decent acoustic to play.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:14 pm

[youtube][/youtube]

I have this one. It's really great.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:21 pm

Nice bit o Alameda.

It sounds well good. I dunno how I missed this demo while youtubing.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:29 pm

No song left unmurdered. It's a good guitar, not a very well known make but it's all handmade goodness. When I bought it I went to London and Gareth and I played about 20 guitars at various price points, from Â£300 to Â£3000. This guitar cost me around Â£500 after some haggling, it sounds just as good as a guitar twice or thrice the price, it has a rich bass response with a pleasant treble, and the electronics on it are amazing.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:34 pm

Cool. Thanks for the pointers.

chisa · Post by **chisa** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:03 am

Mike wrote:Are you a fan of Elliott Smith yet? I need to make a megamix and get it uploaded.

christian brothers FTW

basically all the "elliott smith" album and i am liking XO more and more.

william · Post by **william** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:22 am

just randomly found a used CD copy of pink moon today, and grabbed it. its really good. "pink moon" is so far my favorite track.

did wes anderson use a nick drake song at some point?

also, ive never been so into elliot smith. he writes nice stuff and all, but why does he always doubletrack his vocals? that kinda bugs me, for some reason. takes the intimacy out of it for me.

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:29 am

william wrote:did wes anderson use a nick drake song at some point?

yea, in Royal Tennenbaums he uses "Fly" from Bryter Layter. I can't remember what scene it's in... probably some montage... there's like 50 montages in that movie.

william · Post by **william** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:32 am

mage wrote:
william wrote:did wes anderson use a nick drake song at some point?
yea, in Royal Tennenbaums he uses "Fly" from Bryter Layter. I can't remember what scene it's in... probably some montage... there's like 50 montages in that movie.

right. i knew right away that i had heard his voice in a movie, and i just had to assume wes anderson. just seems fitting.

very distinct. i like it.

thanks to zaphod ('s avatar) for turning me on to it!

Post by **Mike** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:57 am

william wrote:just randomly found a used CD copy of pink moon today, and grabbed it. its really good. "pink moon" is so far my favorite track.

did wes anderson use a nick drake song at some point?

also, ive never been so into elliot smith. he writes nice stuff and all, but why does he always doubletrack his vocals? that kinda bugs me, for some reason. takes the intimacy out of it for me.

*facepalm*

william · Post by **william** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:11 pm

Mike wrote:
william wrote:just randomly found a used CD copy of pink moon today, and grabbed it. its really good. "pink moon" is so far my favorite track.

did wes anderson use a nick drake song at some point?

also, ive never been so into elliot smith. he writes nice stuff and all, but why does he always doubletrack his vocals? that kinda bugs me, for some reason. takes the intimacy out of it for me.
*facepalm*

oh sorry. your virtual gesture showed me the error of my ways.

like i said, good songs, just not my favorite production. if he had done it a little more "dry" i think the impact of the songs mightve been better.

EDIT- if smiths albums were produced like pink moon, wed really have something.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:15 pm

Criticising Elliott Smith's production is a size 29 Face Palm.

*facepalm*

The guy was a genius in the studio.

william · Post by **william** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:32 pm

Mike wrote:Criticising Elliott Smith's production is a size 29 Face Palm.

*facepalm*

The guy was a genius in the studio.

sorry. doubletracking vocals changes the feel in a way that i found counter intuitive to his songs. its subjective, of course. its not that the production wasn't 'good.' i just like singletake vocals, thats all. far more intimate, like hes singing right in your ear, whereas his seeming obsession with doubletracking makes it sound like a chorus of smiths singing, which to me is less impactful.

im sure hed say different, if he were here. but i cant change how i feel or how i hear music.

on the poppier songs it works, but im not as into the poppier songs as songs, so for me it just never is as good as it couldve been.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:36 pm

You're so ridiculously wrong I can't even begin to count the ways.

You have to be an amazing singer to double-track as closely as Elliott did, and it works perfectly in his songs, particularly the more sombre haunting work as on the first two records and isolated songs thereafter ('Waltz #1', 'Oh Well, Okay', 'Twilight'...).