What overdrive would marry up well with the classic 30 ??

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:05 pm

I'm finding my sansamp GT2 just isn't cutting through the mix and I need something with a little more bite.

It goes from being very saturated to being too shrill... & no in between...

Also finding it difficult marry my pedal up with the amps crunch channel too add further gain, without getting muddy.

I'm after something that'll compliment my sound... needs to be full bodied & open, quite a bit of excess gain on tap... perhaps Marshall type drive ? I have been considering the Rat..

any suggestions ?
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stewart · Post by **stewart** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:08 pm

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:00 pm

Yeah the OCD is a full and open sounding Marshallesque box. It sounds great with EL84 based amps like yours.

The RAT has less bass response and more of a tight raspy attack, but Reutz modded (simple resistor snip) it could be what you're after.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:15 pm

Tubescreamer!!!!

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:26 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:Tubescreamer!!!!

This is neither open nor full. It will exaggerate his problems.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:32 pm

It was a joke. I ought to have quoted you so that it looked like you said it.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:33 pm

Noone should ever cause more tubescreamers to be purchased, even by accident.

vincel · Post by **vincel** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:23 pm

Whilst a Tube Screamer would be totally unsuitable for your dilemma, I have to admit to being a little baffled by the TS hate on ShortScale. They're really not that bad.

I owned an OCD for a short time but I never really liked it, the Fulldrive2 worked better for me. Again, I can't see either of these helping.

ProCo haven't produced a quality pedal in years. Retro-Sonic have a distortion pedal which, I suppose, is a boutique RAT. I tried one out a few weeks ago and I loved it, particularly the LED clipping option, but their UK price is way too high for me (close to Â£150, IIRC).

I suggest you buy a 2nd-hand RAT and get it modded up-to-spec.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:26 pm

vincel wrote:Whilst a Tube Screamer would be totally unsuitable for your dilemma, I have to admit to being a little baffled by the TS hate on ShortScale. They're really not that bad.

It's really just an exaggeration of my own stand; most people here don't mind them and a lot use them.

I am not a fan, for a few reasons
- I don't like the mid hump the TS-808 has - I like aggressive mids, like a Marshall, not honky mids
- they thin your bass response, I like my dirt think and thunky
- they have the clean sound riding in the mix. Yuck. Sterile.

This is all my personal stance. They work for a lot of people.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:39 pm

vincel wrote:Whilst a Tube Screamer would be totally unsuitable for your dilemma, I have to admit to being a little baffled by the TS hate on ShortScale. They're really not that bad.

I owned an OCD for a short time but I never really liked it, the Fulldrive2 worked better for me. Again, I can't see either of these helping.

ProCo haven't produced a quality pedal in years. Retro-Sonic have a distortion pedal which, I suppose, is a boutique RAT. I tried one out a few weeks ago and I loved it, particularly the LED clipping option, but their UK price is way too high for me (close to Â£150, IIRC).

I suggest you buy a 2nd-hand RAT and get it modded up-to-spec.

Mike says that we're not allowed to like them so that's pretty much that. He's a proper ogre, like.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:46 pm

vincel wrote:I suggest you buy a 2nd-hand RAT and get it modded up-to-spec.

I do a surprising amount of this.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:15 pm

Mike wrote:
vincel wrote:I suggest you buy a 2nd-hand RAT and get it modded up-to-spec.
I do a surprising amount of this.

And it is good. And I'm quite heavily biased against Mike.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:20 pm

Yes. On account of your quite shocking taste.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:26 pm

You said I tasted nice...

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:28 pm

Right, I'm going to play in a BAND with DOOG.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:10 pm

am i on the right lines in thinking that the peavey classic 30 is similar to the fender hot rod/blues series of amps?

i struggle finding overdrive/dirt pedals that work well with my blues deluxe. anything that i use on the clean channel sounds fine, the dirt channel doesn't respond well to being boosted, tends to get quite shrill. i find that my tone bender fuzz set quite mild works well and gives it a more balanced boost without being too muddy or too bright. i do have and use a tubescreamer, which i tend to use as a boost. it works well for my amp, but i can understand why people love it or not, it's like a few pedals out there. i get quite wary of boutique pedal companies. yes, some of them make some nice stuff but i do find some of the prices a little off putting.

i'd probably recommend a rat or maybe a box of rock style pedal if your after that marshall kinda flavor. i've got a rat on the way for my birthday, which if i don't like i'll probably get mike to mod it.

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:52 pm

Thanks guys... Taken on board what you had to say..

Gonna take my jag into work tomorrow and try out the 'you dirty rat' that we have in stock.

There was a nice comparison on youtube between that... the standard rat and the turbo rat, and I liked the sound of the you dirty best. It was posted on here a few weeks back.

http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtop ... ight=dirty

Maybe give a few others a whirl and see if I spot anythin that takes me fancy. (when the boss isn't looking !!) Our main brands include Boss, MXR, marshall, Blackstar, Ibanez, Line 6...

I spent the afternoon experimenting with the sansamp... at first I thought I was making some head way but then when going back to it after a break sounded 'meh' again. Definitely need some more grit !!

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Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:02 pm

sounds like your shop has some nice pedals. those blackstars sound amazing, plus the speaker emu line out sounds dam good.

purplehaze19x · Post by **purplehaze19x** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:00 pm

The Jekyl & Hyde sounds pretty good through my Classic 50.

Z*Z*Z · Post by **Z*Z*Z** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:27 pm

Progrockabuse wrote:am i on the right lines in thinking that the peavey classic 30 is similar to the fender hot rod/blues series of amps?

i struggle finding overdrive/dirt pedals that work well with my blues deluxe. anything that i use on the clean channel sounds fine, the dirt channel doesn't respond well to being boosted, tends to get quite shrill. i find that my tone bender fuzz set quite mild works well and gives it a more balanced boost without being too muddy or too bright. i do have and use a tubescreamer, which i tend to use as a boost. it works well for my amp, but i can understand why people love it or not, it's like a few pedals out there. i get quite wary of boutique pedal companies. yes, some of them make some nice stuff but i do find some of the prices a little off putting.

i'd probably recommend a rat or maybe a box of rock style pedal if your after that marshall kinda flavor. i've got a rat on the way for my birthday, which if i don't like i'll probably get mike to mod it.

My bandmate uses Blues Deluxe for couple of years and we tried over 50 overdrive/dist/fuzz units - He swapped stock speaker for Vintage30 and on his board are: Shin-Ei wah-fuzz (for extreme sounds), modified old Turbo Rat (better bass response&less dist) & Korg overdrive OVD-01 - the last one is Ts808 clone - so we modified it to be a bit growlier&bassier but he(bandmate) tends to set it for boost only; The new addition to his board will be Sola Sound Tone Bender markII or III...