Trystie Drive/Honey Bee Demo

Post by **Mike** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:29 am

As requested by James.
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I tried to demonstrate how dynamic it is to pick attack, which is what gets all teh boutiquers foaming at the mouth over it. For $400 no less.

nondas · Post by **nondas** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:44 am

Nice job, Mike. You built a fine pedal there. Great playing as well.

James · Post by **James** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:40 pm

In places it sounds very very good. It never sounds bad but it's not constantly 'must buy this'. It never reaches $400 good but it sounds like it could compete with the better mild OD drive pedals out there.

I'd definitely be interested in comparing it to the low gain capabilities of other pedals. To badger on about the OCD a little more it completely covers my low OD needs so although they aren't really similar pedals it would be interesting (for me at least) to compare the two.

But I'd also say that my level of interest doesn't justify building another pedal. If it doesn't require anything expensive or unsual you could build a circuit and just stick it in a test box? I don't know if that's an wakward request or not.

+1 on the playing. Good stuff.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:47 pm

I don't have a box with enough pot holes in it lying around unfortunately, I did entertain that at first. I'll see how I feel tomorrow, I'm at my folks' place on Tuesday for Sell Crazy rehearsal night and am drilling a case for a Zendrive for a guy then, so if I feel like doing another build I'll mark a case tomorrow and bring that along aswell.

The other pedal I might build is that replacement for my Bass drive box which has an OCD on one side and a Box Of Rock on the other, or I might do it as a DLS/OCD box this time...

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:49 pm

I feel the same way about this as I do about the klon, this is a great sounding pedal that responds well to your dynamics, but isn't worth the price to pay for an authentic one.

Noirie. · Post by **Noirie.** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:35 pm

Well that is a sweet sounding thing. Liked it lots around 1:48.

DO WANT!

ultratwin · Post by **ultratwin** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:24 pm

Woah, talk about warm and toasty!

And you're right about the dynamic response, it certainly has those delicate mid gain crunchies. Nice work, both on and off the workbench.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:48 am

Cheers guys, thanks for checking it out.

foll · Post by **foll** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:30 am

Thanks Mike! Great demo. Can't wait to play it! The dynamic is super.

benecol, thanks for the decal!

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:32 am

Ain't no thang.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:38 am

No worries, I actually made a small cap change after the demo as apparently the original schematic tone control was oddly marked, just a simple cap change from 22uF to 220nF in the Nature control, so it's now edgy with biting mids on the left and as you get above 3 o clock the sound thickens out for a more rounded sound.

I then packed it all up again and it's going in the post today, hopefully won;t be delayed too long by this frigging postal strike we have going on.

riotshield · Post by **riotshield** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:40 pm

that sounds really good actually. how much does it cost?

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:41 pm

Â£80 + P&P. Just a slice cheaper than the real deal.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:47 pm

You do really remarkable work Mike. This one's not really my thang, but I know quality when I see it. Well done, yet again.

riotshield · Post by **riotshield** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:57 pm

with honestly no intention to be picky or mean, but wasnt danelectro doing more or less the same thing by coping that fuzz and OD. why was it blamable? they werent even advertising them as clones so theoritically no one who would be interested in timmy or peachfuzz would get those.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:30 pm

If you can't see the difference between a company like Danelectro producing tens of thousands of units cloning designs of small builders' current pedals, outsourcing labour to the Far East and grossly undercutting the original price to scalp for business, making no apology when they were found out and a series of "quick buy it now before we change it" press releases via forums (whilst channelling profit towards hate - actively supporting the suppression of people's rights) and me building a clone of an insanely overpriced pedal which is not even built anymore, anywhere and can only be found second hand at insanely inflated prices for someone I met through this website, then I don't know where to help you bud.

And if you think they were naive to the publicity and sales they got from the pedals being reverse you're crackers. They even sent out pre-release versions to people on forums.

Also, if you want to have this ethical debate with me, why ask about the price? And also why not take it to the Pub if you really feel I'm in the wrong.

riotshield · Post by **riotshield** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:45 pm

i am not blaming you or something. i dont find what you do wrong on the contrary im indeed interested on that pedal and might try to save and get it.
Its just that even on completely different scale, dano werent that bad in my book after all in the sense that, most of the pedals out there are copies of copies and so on.
behringer for example. they even cloned the chassis of the memory man etc. even if the circuit isnt the same (that i dont know) they are making pedals trying to clearly steal customers from other manufacturers. thats as foul play as dano if not more.

and just to make some philosophical debate, do you think that circuit design should be copyrighted in a way?
I mean if someone records and releases a cover of some artist and makes money out of it he pays royalties, right?
Should the same apply to pedals? If someones makes money out of superfuzz clones should they pay royalties to original designer

riotshield · Post by **riotshield** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:55 pm

oh, and since we are at it, if you add a boost on that design what is the smaller chassis they would both fit making it possible to press both switches at the same time with one foot if needed

this in vertical direction and jacks at the top could work eh?

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:57 pm

You cannot patent a circuit or a schematic. Only a name and a PCB layout.

If you copy the name or aesthetic you are violating trademark.

PCB layouts can be registered as IP. If you copy that you are violating Patent.

You cannot patent a circuit anymore than you can patent a Lego structure. It is built from building blocks (components, filters, amplifiers, clipping stages) that are in the public domain and cannot be patented, it's like trying to patent the C major chord. I design all my own circuit layouts on veroboard myself, and I sell them to people that approach me, I don't go out saying "I'm cloning pedal X, buy from me instead of the original". Do I think this is fair? Perhaps not that someone can steal your circuit and sell it as their own, however if pedals these people made were reasonably priced who would want to not buy an original and buy a clone instead?.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:59 pm

riotshield wrote:oh, and since we are at it, if you add a boost on that design what is the smaller chassis they would both fit making it possible to press both switches at the same time with one foot if needed

You would want a boost fitted onto that pedal? It's too small to accurately press them independently and would just look incredibly crowded. I would do it in the larger of the two cases I use, but not that one.