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endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:23 am

Fuck some tube amps.

Find a Sunn Beta Lead for under two bills, make sure it has the footswitch still. Interesting reverb, crystal clean and epic growling dirt. Plus the A/B blended mode will blwo your fucking ear drums out.

Dew eet.
You can thank me later.

Good enough for Buzzo, good enough for you.

Ninja Mike 808 · Post by **Ninja Mike 808** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:28 am

You should find some friends/ acquaintances that live near you that can bring theirs over for you to try... You never really know how exactly something is gonna sound until you put it in order... Other than that, hit up a shop when there's no annoying ass hole practicing his latest retro metal accomplishment.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:35 am

endsjustifymeans wrote:Sunn Beta Lead

+1

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:26 am

Ninja Mike 808 wrote:Other than that, hit up a shop when there's no annoying ass hole practicing his latest retro metal accomplishment.

yeah i hit shops up in the morning, take in 3 guitars and a couple pedals of my own.
so far i haven't had much luck.

no silverface fenders, or sunn amps kicking around
the peavy left a sour taste in my mouth, and the jcm runs more money then i want to spend, plus a bit to much growl

tiny terror has a great sound, but i didn't get the punch out of it that i would have expected.

edmonton is a dry spell for awesome deals on gear as well. esp amps

Post by **Mike** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:14 am

Hmm.. shame you didn't have any luck on the Fenders, it sounds like that's the ticket for you if you need LOUDNESS.

Craiglists?

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:20 am

Mike wrote:Hmm.. shame you didn't have any luck on the Sunns, it sounds like that's the ticket for you if you need LOUDNESS.

Craiglists?

Wow... Mike and I find common ground yet again.

O))) 4 life, bitches!

Post by **Mike** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:25 am

I have no knowledge of those amplifiers, though I see them mentioned a lot.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:33 am

Mike wrote:I have no knowledge of those amplifiers, though I see them mentioned a lot.

They really are terrific. I've acquired a hum on mine that I need to get sorted, but it's still my most used amp. What it lacks vs. the sovtek (which has also developed a hum on the high gain channel oddly) in terms of grind it more than makes up for in terms of versatility. If I could only keep one amp between my Sunn and my Sovtek it would be the Sunn. All of the youtube video's that do demo's of beta leads seem to focus on the crazy awesome distortion it produces, but it's got an amazing warm deep clean that is up there with any tube amp I've ever heard. And the built in spring reverb is very unique though maybe a bit understated.

I owe demos on it, but I'm such a crap guitarist I'd be afraid of turning people off of anything I demo...

"Well shit son, I don't wanna sound like that!"

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:42 am

well if you ever decide to get rid of the sovtek, i'm calling dibs now.
as ideally that is what i'm looking for, but again i haven;t seen any in my price range (or my price range after shipping online)

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:48 am

serfx wrote:well if you ever decide to get rid of the sovtek, i'm calling dibs now.
as ideally that is what i'm looking for, but again i haven;t seen any in my price range (or my price range after shipping online)

Sovteks aren't really ideal for your description. The Mig 50 is lacking the dirt you want and the Mig 30 and 60 don't have a clean bone in their body. I'm not too familiar with the 100, but I'm pretty sure it falls in the range of the 30/60. They are 1 trick ponies, you get booming cleans or filthy dirt... but not both sadly, at least not on the same amp.
Even with the awesome custom channel switcher Mike made me I can only go from kinda dirty to really dirty.

They go for redonkulous money these days. Someone offered me 600 for my Mig 60 a few months ago. I wouldn't ever sell it, but if I did I'd have been ripping that guy off.

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:52 am

this would be awesome if it wasn't $700 (or $550 less the cab.)

and nothing in the calgary craigslist.

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:53 am

endsjustifymeans wrote:
serfx wrote:well if you ever decide to get rid of the sovtek, i'm calling dibs now.
as ideally that is what i'm looking for, but again i haven;t seen any in my price range (or my price range after shipping online)
Sovteks aren't really ideal for your description. The Mig 50 is lacking the dirt you want and the Mig 30 and 60 don't have a clean bone in their body. I'm not too familiar with the 100, but I'm pretty sure it falls in the range of the 30/60. They are 1 trick ponies, you get booming cleans or filthy dirt... but not both sadly, at least not on the same amp.
Even with the awesome custom channel switcher Mike made me I can only go from kinda dirty to really dirty.

They go for redonkulous money these days. Someone offered me 600 for my Mig 60 a few months ago. I wouldn't ever sell it, but if I did I'd have been ripping that guy off.

the sovtek i'd use purely for punk

i've just been trying to get my hands on one for the better part of 15 years.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:55 am

serfx wrote: the sovtek i'd use purely for punk

i've just been trying to get my hands on one for the better part of 15 years.

Oh yeah, Mig 60 all the way then. It was born for that purpose.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:04 am

Well, there's this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-SUNN-Beta-B ... 3623wt_941

and

http://greensboro.craigslist.org/msg/1300435549.html

They both seem to be asking a bit high in my opinion and they're missing their footswitches, but they're both awesome. The Beta Bass is the exact same amp as the beta lead just without reverb. It even has the channel specific or cross channel accessory loop. The footswitches are hard to come buy but there's lots of online documentation for building your own.

The combos are just as good a buy as the head, being as the head is the same in both units. On the combos just unscrew 4 screws and pull out the handy metal box and attach it to your favorite cab.

There's also this guy, but he's off his fucking head if he thinks his set up is worth that much....
http://westernmass.craigslist.org/msg/1270530868.html

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:58 pm

PA135

i wonder how well this would work for my purposes..

ebay wrote:Up for auction is a rarely seen Silverface Fender PA 135. This amp is from 1982 so you could call it vintage [being over 25 years old]. It has the Bassman 135 circuit so you could say that this is a 4 channel Bassman 135. MASSIVE REVERB!!! And loud as H***!! All original with the exception of 2 knob covers [see pic]. Channel 1 bass knob cover and channel 2 treble knob cover are replacements. Same timeframe, just not original to this amp. Knob covers shouldn't be too hard to find. Original transformers and capacitors. And cap cover still has the original rubber damper inside. Only issues are minor. The 2 knob covers, a small scratch on the faceplate below channel 4 and the back plate [original] has a repaired crack in it on the bottom. Also a small corner tear to the tolex. None of these affect performance. Also has the original vented side plates which you almost never see on these amps. And this even comes with the ORIGINAL owners manual [see pic]. I will remove all the tubes and pack them separately in bubblewrap. A matched quad of GT power tubes and a nos GE 7025 as well.

only issue is that dude won't ship to Canada....

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:37 pm

One of us could ship it on I'm sure. You won't get much dirt out of a bassman, but if you do your tonescaping via pedals it shouldn't be a problem. My friend brian has a Bassman (and a Mig 50 which really seems redundant) and it warm and rich, but there's like zippy harsh tonez in that thing. Makes shit guitars sound boss though.

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:41 pm

my thinking is that its a pa baseman though
but then again that just makes channel switching more fun
and yeah i use pedals for my tonal over lords. over loads?

also the dude with the sunn head in town sold the cab still has the head and is looking for a guitar or a bass.
so that might be a way to go
sunn head

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:50 pm

serfx wrote:my thinking is that its a pa baseman though
but then again that just makes channel switching more fun
and yeah i use pedals for my tonal over lords. over loads?

also the dude with the sunn head in town sold the cab still has the head and is looking for a guitar or a bass.
so that might be a way to go
sunn head

Dude, I'd take a Sorado over a Bassman any day of the week. That's a 60W amp by the way, not 140... still loud and bassy as balls I'm sure.

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:19 am

yeah i figure the kid doesn't actually know what he has
as its a bit over priced. i figure maybe i can trade my ibanez ex for it. or my jagmaster (still not the one you love)

who knows i'm waiting for him to get back to me

plesiosaurus · Post by **plesiosaurus** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:10 am

Another vote for Sunn. I love my Sunn 100s.