Can I has old Jaguar? I got a '66.

light rail coyote · Post by **light rail coyote** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:22 am

MMPicker wrote:Just wondering, why wouldn't you be keeping the Classic Player and ditching the '66?
You can change pickups on the CP, if that's the issue, but I don't think you can as easily change the neck on the old guitar to have the flatter radius & bigger frets.

How's it bending strings & getting vibrato for playing leads on the '66, vs. the CP? Especially on the higher frets.
Does the tremelo bar on the '66 stay where you put it?
How much string buzz & sustain are you getting on the '66?

What do you see as the significant differences? Other than what can be resolved by a couple trivial hardware changes.

this shit makes me want to puke

kypdurron · Post by **kypdurron** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:35 am

MMPicker wrote:Just wondering, why wouldn't you be keeping the Classic Player and ditching the '66?
You can change pickups on the CP, if that's the issue, but I don't think you can as easily change the neck on the old guitar to have the flatter radius & bigger frets.

Why should someone want to get rid of the guitar of his dreams that he just bought the same week?

MMPicker wrote: a couple trivial hardware changes

Yeah ... before doing a couple of trivial hard ware changes on an early '66 Jag (as long as everything is operational, of course), it would be more reasonable to take your money to a barbecue and throw it onto the glowing coals

Don't understand. Do you want to say that a common nowadays CP Jag is the more desirable thing because it has some modern features like jumbo frets, tom-bridge and so-on? If so, you did not understand the nature of desire. But that is just my opinion.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:44 am

Nice one. Needs a Mastery Bridge though. And a gold anodized guard, obviously.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:28 am

Hurb wrote:totally brilliant news mike! brilliant looking guitar I think I recognise it but I can't remember where from.
Really stoked for you mike!

Cheers bud. I knew I was never going to pry yours away from you so I got the next best thing!

Post by **Mike** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:33 am

MMPicker wrote:Just wondering, why wouldn't you be keeping the Classic Player and ditching the '66?
You can change pickups on the CP, if that's the issue, but I don't think you can as easily change the neck on the old guitar to have the flatter radius & bigger frets.

How's it bending strings & getting vibrato for playing leads on the '66, vs. the CP? Especially on the higher frets.
Does the tremelo bar on the '66 stay where you put it?
How much string buzz & sustain are you getting on the '66?

What do you see as the significant differences? Other than what can be resolved by a couple trivial hardware changes.

So what you're asking is:

- Are you going to mod the '66 Jaguar to be exactly like your Classic Player?

The answer is No. They are different guitars and there is no reason for anyone to attempt to make one like the other while they both exist in this world.
I won't be touching the '66 other than to strip it down when I break a string as an excuse to photograph everything and put it back. So far the stock bridge is behaving itself but if that ever changes a Mustang bridge would be the only thing I would change on the guitar.

I played the hell out of it last night and it was great fun. I think the difference between 7.25" and 9.5" radius for bending can be overstated, you have to understand that I am neither Chuck Berry nor Joe Satriani, but I do play some double-stops and bends and none of them choked out. I can't say I noticed it messing with my gorgeuos natural vibrato technique either.

String Buzz? That's what happens on Jaguars. I consider it a charming flaw when it does.
Sustain? Plenty.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:53 am

i've heard your playing mike, it's nothing but bends past the 12th fret. and you could do that better on a strat anyway, so come on, get rid of the vintage jag.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:57 am

I'm getting a black scratchplate with MJL on it in gold made up for it now.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:37 pm

THE BIG LIVESLYKOWSKI

Markn951 · Post by **Markn951** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:03 pm

light rail coyote wrote:
MMPicker wrote:Just wondering, why wouldn't you be keeping the Classic Player and ditching the '66?
You can change pickups on the CP, if that's the issue, but I don't think you can as easily change the neck on the old guitar to have the flatter radius & bigger frets.

How's it bending strings & getting vibrato for playing leads on the '66, vs. the CP? Especially on the higher frets.
Does the tremelo bar on the '66 stay where you put it?
How much string buzz & sustain are you getting on the '66?

What do you see as the significant differences? Other than what can be resolved by a couple trivial hardware changes.
this shit makes me want to puke

+1. typical nub response

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:20 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:Needs a Mastery Bridge though.

Jesus, whouse this MPicker dude, is he a full shilling?

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:46 pm

Markn951 wrote:
light rail coyote wrote:this shit makes me want to puke
+1. typical nub response

i actually had to check twice and make sure it wasn't you who had typed that response. aye, typical nub.

Markn951 · Post by **Markn951** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:55 pm

seriously, i DONT say things like that! why does everyone seem to think i'm like, the noobiest person on this forum? I didn't start playing yesterday!

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:57 pm

Markn951 wrote:seriously, i DONT say things like that! why does everyone seem to think i'm like, the noobiest person on this forum? I didn't start playing yesterday!

You are the new 'eternal n00b'. You can either like it, or like it.

Markn951 · Post by **Markn951** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:59 pm

Fran wrote:
Markn951 wrote:seriously, i DONT say things like that! why does everyone seem to think i'm like, the noobiest person on this forum? I didn't start playing yesterday!
You are the new 'eternal n00b'. You can either like it, or like it.

this forum is too incredible for me to really do anything about it. i'll just deal i guess

MMPicker · Post by **MMPicker** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:01 pm

Actually I really want to know the difference, for my information. I don't own an old Jaguar, and have only played a few in a shop for a few minutes, so I just don't know.
I was actually genuinely hoping someone who actually had both sitting there would tell me where he felt the differences were.

Of course, instead of someone who actually knows explaining it to me,those who have never touched a Classic Player for more than 15 minutes can continue to post insulting comments about me, for daring to ask the question.

Offhand, it seems to me the Classic Player should be better, based on specs, after some trivial mods (pickups & tuners),but if it isn't I'd like to know why, in what respect. Or if they are just different, well how exactly do these differences show up, from the player's persopective ?Only from someone like OP who actually has the proper frame of reference to judge, as he has them both sitting there and so can play each for extended periods.

But if I've gored some sacred god that dared not be questioned, very sorry. I'm not a worshipper, just a bad guitar player and seeker of (non-hyped) truth.

If you're getting something material from the old one that wouldn't be accomplished, only better, by slapping some vintage
style pickups in the CP I'd like to understand what it is you're getting.

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:05 pm

Better is subjective. I prefer regular spec Jag's over CPs. People are slagging you off because the way you are asking the questions makes it look like you are a snob who thinks all guitars should be set up like Les Pauls.

MMPicker · Post by **MMPicker** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:08 pm

Well hopefully I asked it better last time, sorry if first without context sounded bad.

MMPicker · Post by **MMPicker** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:17 pm

Now that you mention it though, in full disclosure I actually did used to play a Les Paul, and certainly did not get the feeling that its bridge design was a problem in any way , far from it..
I do, however, prefer a yet shorter scale, lighter weight and single coils.

MMPicker · Post by **MMPicker** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:27 pm

But anyway, my question still stands.
If you're getting rid of one, why is it the CP that would go?
Is it vintage mojo? Long term price appreciation?
Or is there really something more substantial about the two instruments, that wouldn't just be resolved by slapping different pickups, and maybe tuners, on the CP, that dictates that the CP should go? And is that decision just completely personal preference, or is it likely that a preponderance of players, if blindfolded, would almost inevitably pick the vintage guitar?

No slights intended, an Inquiring mind who does not own both actually wants to know the truth. As those in the position to actually have a legitimate opinion have experienced it.

mellowlogic · Post by **mellowlogic** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:01 pm

dude he JUST bought the vintage jag, something he's been wanting for a long time.