Klon vs Bad Monkey

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:28 pm

Much as it pains me to post this, since Fran snapped up Rob's while I was umming and ahhing, here's an interesting shootout vid:

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James · Post by **James** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:38 pm

If he's scripting stuff to see he could at least tell her it's 'My dad and I...'

I listened without watching and there wasn't a point when I could say 'that's the expensive one' but none of the sounds he got were at all interesting either.

the isaac eaton · Post by **the isaac eaton** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:00 pm

klon, maybe I just don't get it, but I really don't see whats so special about it. It sounds good, but not a million dollars good. the bad monkey held its own quite nicely, but like what james was saying, just boring overdrive tones.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:41 pm

James wrote:If he's scripting stuff to see he could at least tell her it's 'My dad and I...'

Guess what? He isn't scripting it. Just like i don't.

This is my buddy Brett down under. He's a top boy and he makes fantastic videos full of verve and enthusiam and devoid of pretention.

More power to him. I love him and Sadie and long may they continue. I love you James, but sometimes something just doesn't need to be CRITIQUED, you dig?

James · Post by **James** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:45 pm

Mike wrote:
James wrote:If he's scripting stuff to see he could at least tell her it's 'My dad and I...'
Guess what? He isn't scripting it. Just like i don't.

The girl asks him the line at the beginning. She has a few lines to say.

He's obviously playing for a different audience, but for me the tones arent interesting in either pedal.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:49 pm

Welcome to the world where you care about minutae and everyone else just appreciates it for what it is.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:52 pm

I am more than happy with the Bad Monkey, it may not be cool to have one on your board like some pedals but its 'bread and butter' stuff. A good overdrive is priceless, boring? I find a lot of delay/pitch shifting/ring mod noise demos boring and uninteresting to be honest- "Hey! Check this out, it's completely fucking useless if you are gigging..."

Post by **Mike** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:56 pm

To be honest I think the Klon is pretty nice, but I would always recommend these pedals far above it for fun and sounds:

- Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret
- Barber LTD Silver
- Boss OD-3 Overdrive
- Your Mum. Go On, you dirty fucker.

Burgs · Post by **Burgs** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:54 am

Mike wrote:
James wrote:If he's scripting stuff to see he could at least tell her it's 'My dad and I...'
Guess what? He isn't scripting it. Just like i don't.

This is my buddy Brett down under. He's a top boy and he makes fantastic videos full of verve and enthusiam and devoid of pretention.

More power to him. I love him and Sadie and long may they continue. I love you James, but sometimes something just doesn't need to be CRITIQUED, you dig?

My first post at Shortscale.Org. I may have to have a beer to celebrate.

Mike, thanks for the kind words, I'm flattered. The feeling is mutual, as you know.

James: Sadie and I always discuss what the pedal is about before we shoot, but we don't script per se. She has a way with words and actions that I would rather capture ad hoc if possible. In this case I told her that it was an overdrive and that it was one of the most expensive one could buy. I also told her that one guy on another forum said it looked like a cooktop and that we might be able to fry an egg on it. The 'toaster' thing was her own invention although she implied that 'my dad and I think it looks like..' That's cool, she's 7. And anyway, who cares? (Actually, there's a LOT of critique at the 'serious' forum.

)

As to the boring sounds; they're overdrives. I'm not sure how I can make them more interesting than they are. Suggestions? The point of the clip was to try and approximate one pedal's sound with the other. It's just a bit of fun, that's all. I know the Klon will eat the Bad Monkey in terms of headroom, definition, build, looks, desirability and everything else. That matters little though, because I do these clips for fun. That's all. People take them so bloody seriously though..

Burg

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:11 am

welcome

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:15 am

Welcome to the forum? You're the Australian guy who demoes stuff with his daughter(I can't view youtube where I'm at)? Nice one. I'm a fan.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:20 am

I thought the intro was cute.

I'm definitely left underwhelmed with the klon and not really seeing how the price is justified at all... which I guess is sort of the point of a shootout demo, yeah? Well done then.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:07 am

Glad to see you here, Brett.

I can't believe the reaction you got on lawyerswhoplayguitar.com, although I guess it was sadly predictable. I think your playing is great, and always applicable to the pedal in question - it's amazing how excited people get about Overdrives, and yet how damn close you can get sometimes to the same sounds from wildly different boxes. I thought it was a really cool video and a real eye opener, if anyone sees it for more than that, then it's their issue. The fact of the matter is that if you can play, you can get 95% the way there with 10% of the outlay in equipment.

chisa · Post by **chisa** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:17 am

Mike wrote:Glad to see you here, Brett.

I can't believe the reaction you got on lawyerswhoplayguitar.com, although I guess it was sadly predictable. I think your playing is great, and always applicable to the pedal in question - it's amazing how excited people get about Overdrives, and yet how damn close you can get sometimes to the same sounds from wildly different boxes. I thought it was a really cool video and a real eye opener, if anyone sees it for more than that, then it's their issue. The fact of the matter is that if you can play, you can get 95% the way there with 10% of the outlay in equipment.

wise words, it always annoys people to be told that talent cannot be bought

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:36 am

Arr, welcome aboard - I'm a fan of your demos. And another exponent of small children messing with effects pedals, although this may change since my daughter tweaked my Memory Boy into oscillating, deafening madness, but I didn't notice 'til I clicked it on during a quiet section of Saturday's improvised music workshop...

Post by **Mike** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:01 am

Benecolette liek spaceships!

blankfield · Post by **blankfield** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:28 am

I'm a noob here as well.

I have to say, Burgs, I sold my Klon after seeing that demo.

FWIW the demo was the straw that broke the camel's back. For me it was a matter not of whether the Klon or Bad Monkey was superior but a matter of whether I needed OD to begin with. The answer came to a quick "no."

I had a ton of fun with the Klon and really do think it is a great OD/Clean boost but I simply realized I didn't need it.

Thanks!

Burgs · Post by **Burgs** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:28 am

blankfield wrote:I'm a noob here as well.

...I have to say, Burgs, I sold my Klon after seeing that demo.

Thanks!

Agghhh!! I didn't mean THAT to happen. Crikey, if I had a Klon I don't think I'd sell it. Well, maybe, if I needed the cash.. and 10 Bad Monkeys...

Good for you. That's showing some backbone.

Aeon · Post by **Aeon** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:26 pm

Hey, welcome to the forum!

You're part of the reason I ordered myself a Sansamp Liverpool. Awesome playing on those Tech 21 demos!

Can you provide any advice in terms of using it (the Liverpool)? I'm going to mainly use it for recording. I also have the Classic Studio reverb plugin which you mentioned using as well. Any good plate settings you could share?

Burgs · Post by **Burgs** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:05 pm

Aeon wrote:Hey, welcome to the forum!

You're part of the reason I ordered myself a Sansamp Liverpool. Awesome playing on those Tech 21 demos!

Can you provide any advice in terms of using it (the Liverpool)? I'm going to mainly use it for recording. I also have the Classic Studio reverb plugin which you mentioned using as well. Any good plate settings you could share?

Thanks for having me and thanks to Mike for being a great host and friend!

CSR: Yes, very underrated piece of kit, that one. I use the Plate reverb as an auxiliary send in Logic and mostly go for the Vintage Plate setting. I wind the decay back a bit and then just blend a little in from the guitar's channel strip. It's a great reverb. Best one yet, I reckon.

You'll find a ton of good uses for the Liverpool. As you've noted, it's best used as a direct device (IMO) and benefits from something with a good feed to your computer ie. the PRS Waves interface or something like that. But any decent AD device from RME, M-Audio, Digidesign etc will do the trick. The real Vox sounds can be had by keeping a handle on the gain control. Don't crank it too much. Let your right arm do the talking.

Have fun!