fender toronado

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:37 am

Justyn wrote:24 3/4 is still full scale to me

S'not really.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:39 am

finboy wrote:

*bookmarks pic to derail any and all future Tornado threads with*

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:40 am

Ahh it's sooo fucking lurvely!!

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:18 am

I have always assumed that shortscale refers to Fenders or Fender style guitars, so that below 25.5" is shortscale. So a Gibson at 24.75" is a full-scale Gibson or Gibson style guitar. So Gibsons and Gibson style guitars would go in Other Guitars, whereas a 24.75" Fender or Fender style guitar would go in the Shortscales section.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:26 am

Even in my beer stupor that makes sense.

Markn951 · Post by **Markn951** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:28 am

Gavin wrote:I have always assumed that shortscale refers to Fenders or Fender style guitars, so that below 25.5" is shortscale. So a Gibson at 24.75" is a full-scale Gibson or Gibson style guitar. So Gibsons and Gibson style guitars would go in Other Guitars, whereas a 24.75" Fender or Fender style guitar would go in the Shortscales section.

Same here. I always wondered if technically the Gibson posts would go in the Shortscale section because they are short scale compared to a Strat or a Tele or a Jazzmaster. Same with PRS guitars.

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:39 am

Mike wrote:I would have thought it was clear that Shortscale refers to shortscale Fenders. I.e. all Fenders under 25.5" in scale length.

Especially since most of them are listed. Sometimes you spell it out for people and it still doesn't matter.

robrtnickerson · Post by **robrtnickerson** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:09 am

The SS.org logo one the home page might clue one into the fact that this particular forum skews a bit to the fender side of things.

Also now I kind of want a toronado.

floydian8834 · Post by **floydian8834** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:10 am

i would have thought sort-scale would be defined by the name brands def. of a short scale guitar, fenders are designed differently then gibsons, making them different guitars...(no arguments there right?) so a 24.75 is a full scale for a gibson but a short scale for a fender. so by posting a short scale fender in the short scale section i was right, but a full scale gibson would not belong here because by the brands def. 24.74 is full scale. but a gibson short scale could be posted here...at least thats what i thought was intended by the title.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:14 am

and you'd have been right.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:20 am

i thought the same thing initially, and then i just got over it.

MMPicker · Post by **MMPicker** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:25 am

Even people posting here don't all agree on what it means, probably in part because the title vs. first descriptor line vs. second descriptor line do not necessarily all mean exactly the same thing as each other, to many people. The best answer suggested so far is it means whatever the creator wants it to mean.

Don't know about Toronados but I like that Jazzblaster. If that's what it is. Where does one get that?

Back to Toronado/ Cyclone, seems like a number of you prior owners simply didn't like the pickups. For the price vs. a Les Paul (hmm can I say that), one could have changed the pickups, no? Do these have some special Fender spacing that makes changing pickups a big problem? Was there more to it than just the pickups?

brambleperro · Post by **brambleperro** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:49 am

Is there really a need to drag out this argument? Long-time posters are chiming in left and right saying the same thing in different ways:

The Shortscale section was intended for the Fender Shortscale family of guitars, which are anything less than the typical Fender scale length of 25.5. Also, for other brand guitars shorter than that brand's typical length (Gibson guitar less than 24.75). Alas, any guitar of scale 24 or less is a shortscale by anyone's standards, I'm sure. (I can just see someone chiming in with, "Oh, guitar brand X only makes 22.5 scale guitars, so that's not shortscale.") Looking at the front page, it's all Fender's except a few - I think we can all agree that Ends' Goldfish guitar belonged here, as did Cobascis' question about a certain Daisy Rock, and Josh's inquiry on a Silvertone 1448L, despite those not being Fender guitars. It's not hard to draw the line here.

But really, we don't need any sort line to be drawn here because is it really worth this sort of fuss? We all get by just fine with things the way they are. I don't think this is that kind of board.

So...
If it's Fender and it's under 25.5 scale, put it here.
If it's anything else and it's 24 scale or under, put it here.

Agreed?

Post by **Mike** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:59 am

jcyphe wrote:
Mike wrote:I would have thought it was clear that Shortscale refers to shortscale Fenders. I.e. all Fenders under 25.5" in scale length.
Especially since most of them are listed. Sometimes you spell it out for people and it still doesn't matter.

Why is everyone still discussing it when I fucking DEFINED it here?

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:39 am

Agreed.

FFS, thread ruined.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:10 am

aspergersguydoesitagainlols.

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:19 am

Don't worry guys, I'll clear this up.

Ok, so if it's a Fender guitar and it's below 25.5"...

James · Post by **James** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:22 am

finboy wrote:

I like that a lot but it may as well have an amber switchtip with how textbook OffestGuitars it looks. The association puts me off a little.

It's still great though.

Post by **dots** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:20 pm

MMPicker wrote:The best answer suggested so far is it means whatever the creator wants it to mean.

i'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean: the creator. are you referring to yaweh, master and creator of all thing in heaven and earth? if so, we're not really a site that takes its cues from any religious guidance as to how the forum should be set up. from our own wiki page regarding shortscale guitars:

What makes a guitar "short scale?" Typically, this term refers to guitars originally produced by Fender Musical Instrument Corporation during the 1960's including: Mustangs, Duo-Sonics, Musicmasters, Jaguars, and Broncos. What set these guitars apart even from other Fender models was the reduced scales (the length from the bridge to the nut) and off-set or elongated bodies. The scales of 24" and 22.5" which were 1.5" and 3" (respectively) shorter than Fender Stratocasters, Telecaster, and Jazzmasters. This made for easier speed-playing on heavier gauge strings, and these shorter instruments could be used as "Student Guitars" as the reduced length was easier for smaller and less experienced hands. The body shapes and sizes were also quite unique, from the longer, thinner body of the Mustang to the offset, contours of the Jaguar.

below that, you'll also find another researched statement about the "new comers" (or new breeds, if you will) that will probably put a pretty little bow on top of this discussion. so, not trying to volley back atcha the snide you've been serving, but this is a matter that's been discussed among the membership since the site's inception. among the many ways we could have chosen to format the community, we chose what you see, and it seems to have served us well enough for going on 4 years. sorry if it doesn't work for you. just goes to show you can't please everybody.

finboy · Post by **finboy** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:00 pm

James wrote:
finboy wrote:
I like that a lot but it may as well have an amber switchtip with how textbook OffestGuitars it looks. The association puts me off a little.

It's still great though.

understandable, the designs over there can get a touch repetitious, but part of the reason the styles look so familiar is because they quote pics 10,000 times and use the drool smiley over and over.