sea foam sg jr ugnf

[robroe]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-neck-with-Ep ... 20b00848c5

[robroe]

its like someone picked my brain and then put all this shit on a guitar.


white plastic kluson strips
white bell knobs

[Noirie.]

the neck is slightly warped (the lowest 4 frets are higher than the rest of the neck)

Surely thats just some relief in the neck

[Mike]

Hey YOUTH, you're a bit cocky for someone who had to get Doog to set up your Jaguar.

[Noirie.]

lol. I can't do those adjustments myself but i have been reading up on it.

[hotrodperlmutter]

i'd use any excuse to get dooglas to put his hams on my jaguar.

also: ugly bolt on sg jr is ugly.

[robroe]

i really don't understand the stigma against bolt on necks.

when are you going to wake up and realize that if a bolt on neck works fine on a mustang it will work fine on a SG or a LP?

who cares if its bolt on? lots of guitars are bolt on.


you know what guitars aren't bolt on? PRS.

[hotrodperlmutter]

here's how i think about (i know how you feel about the bolt on v. set neck thang):

fenders sound the way they do, due in part to the use of bolt on necks. there's advantages to it. you can replace them, swap them, etc. and set neck fenders sound cool when you're looking for a change, but certainly aren't legendary, and are few and far between. i prefer my fenders to be bolt on.

epiphone, however, makes really nice set neck guitars, for a really good price. why would you pay half as much, for a guitar that's made crappy (from my experience), and doesn't have the sound or sustain that a true epiphone/gibson has?

i understand you're defending your previous purchases, and you may like them because they are cheap. but you get what you pay for. i have two epiphones with set necks, and i've had several epiphone and maestro LP JR's, and LP specials with bolt on necks. they're fucking crap guitars man. they're not the same as their set neck counterparts, and may be improved upon, but are ultimately cheaper renditions that will never be as nice to play.

you can chalk it up to snobbery, etc, but i've played both, and set necks always sound better, and you generally don't have to do anything to them. this is strictly my opinion, based on the guitars i've owned.

[robert(original)]

SET NECK, AND BOLT ON NECK DOES NOT MEAN MORE OR LESS SUSTAIN!
its a fucking solid body electric guitar, do you really think that a .011 mms string has any effect on the vibration of a 40+mm thick body?
especially when it is anchored to a SOLID peice of metal?
sustain comes from pickups, playing style, electronics, amps, and pedals. i swear to god, don't believe me, ask robert benedetto, he is only the foremost archtop builder in the world.

[Haze]

Does that headstock look a little bit off to anyone else?

[hotrodperlmutter]

SET NECK, AND BOLT ON NECK DOES NOT MEAN MORE OR LESS SUSTAIN!
its a fucking solid body electric guitar, do you really think that a .011 mms string has any effect on the vibration of a 40+mm thick body?
especially when it is anchored to a SOLID peice of metal?
sustain comes from pickups, playing style, electronics, amps, and pedals. i swear to god, don't believe me, ask robert benedetto, he is only the foremost archtop builder in the world.

i do not believe you, sorry. i'm sure that's some kind of faux pas, but as i said, playing a set neck vs a bolt on through the same amp, the set necks always have more balls and more sustain.

take for instance my toronado GT HH that i sold blacktaxi. duncan 59 in the neck, pearly gates in the bridge, which is the same configuration as my gothic les paul (after i put them in, mind). they sounded identical through my vox, but the les paul would ring out significantly longer, and sounded better through distortion, and fuzz than the toronado did. sure it has to do with pots, and wiring, and tuners, and fretboard type, but i find it hard to believe that set necks don't contribute to sustain, whatsoever.

[robert(original)]

so you just admitted that the pups were different, and the setup was different, good job on proving your point.

[robroe]

i really wish i still had my red epiphone wilshire...

i would stand next to the melody maker, strum both at once and you would get different lengths of sustain on each one each time.

[hotrodperlmutter]

so you just admitted that the pups were different, and the setup was different, good job on proving your point.

no, actually. i admitted that the pickups were the same (exactly the same, the toronado gt hh is basically a les paul with a bolt on neck, and 6 inline tuners).

word harder.

i really wish i still had my red epiphone wilshire...

i would stand next to the melody maker, strum both at once and you would get different lengths of sustain on each one each time.

that's your fault. your hand doesn't strum exactly the same every time.

[robert(original)]

so have you measured the string to pup distance, are the strings the same size?
i have kept pretty calm about this debate the last few years, but now, im maintaining that a set neck les paul vs. a bolt on les paul do not have a different sound.
i once heard a guy talk about the vintage silverburst les pauls and how they had more sustain becuz of the metal flake in the paint, and he wouldn't even pay attention to that fact that a 30 year old pickup and cap drift a bit from the og settings which makes it sound different.

[robroe]

when the fuck are you using sustain anyway?



who fucking cares about sustain?



have you ever just sat there with your guitar and plucked one note and let it ring forever thinking MY GOD THIS FUCKING SUSTAIN IS INSANE IM JUST GOING TO LET IT KEEP FUCKING RINGING FOREVER !!!!!???!!!! JIZZ !!!!! FOREVER !!!!


who gives a shit. unless you are at MSG infront of 100,000 people in the dark playing a 20 minute guitar solo while your drummer drinks 3 bottles of water under the stage who really fucking gives a shit?

[hotrodperlmutter]

so have you measured the string to pup distance, are the strings the same size?
i have kept pretty calm about this debate the last few years, but now, im maintaining that a set neck les paul vs. a bolt on les paul do not have a different sound.
i once heard a guy talk about the vintage silverburst les pauls and how they had more sustain becuz of the metal flake in the paint, and he wouldn't even pay attention to that fact that a 30 year old pickup and cap drift a bit from the og settings which makes it sound different.

ok, so let's mesh some random conversation you had with some jack off about metal flake in the paint, vs same pickups, bolt on vs set neck debate.

[robroe]

Does that headstock look a little bit off to anyone else?

yes. but dont care. its sonic (kinda) blue jr

[Haze]

this is true

[Doog]

the neck is slightly warped (the lowest 4 frets are higher than the rest of the neck)

Surely thats just some relief in the neck

More likely to be a nut that needs cutting slightly more deeply.