Bring back the starcaster petition
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FooonkySteve
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Ah, i see. So; no clue, as in command of the english language?Freddy V-C wrote:Spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, far too informal, badly structured, etc etc...FooonkySteve wrote:In what way?BacchusPaul wrote:That's an awful letter, and the guy doesn't seem to have much of a clue about anything.
..... and sorry to trouble you again, but what exactly was spelled incorrectly?
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clearly you're the author then. regardless of any spelling or punctuation mistakes (i only noticed a your instead of you're, otherwise it wasn't that bad) the whole idea is fantasy. fender have absolutely no reason to reissue a guitar that was noticeable only for its failure in the 70s. it's enjoyed a small resurgence recently thanks to a handful of wealthy players, and even then none of them would have looked twice at it if it hadn't been for jonny greenwood. it's a waste of time.
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Indeed i am the author my fellow Scot!stewart wrote:clearly you're the author then. regardless of any spelling or punctuation mistakes (i only noticed a your instead of you're, otherwise it wasn't that bad) the whole idea is fantasy. fender have absolutely no reason to reissue a guitar that was noticeable only for its failure in the 70s. it's enjoyed a small resurgence recently thanks to a handful of wealthy players, and even then none of them would have looked twice at it if it hadn't been for jonny greenwood. it's a waste of time.
In my defence, the original letter was around 700 words, i thought 'Guitarist' mag did a good job with the edit, and got most of the info into a bitesize snippit. But, hey, everyones a critic eh?
As for the reissue idea being a fantasy, then yes, it is definately a long shot, however, i am getting more and more support by the day. It will be hard for Fender to ignore the petition when it reaches its 1st 1000 signatures, they already have an eye on it.
Watch this space
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fair enough, if something comes of it then great. it'd be an incentive for others to start a petition that says "release guitars in some decent colours, you bunch of plums".FooonkySteve wrote:Indeed i am the author my fellow Scot!stewart wrote:clearly you're the author then. regardless of any spelling or punctuation mistakes (i only noticed a your instead of you're, otherwise it wasn't that bad) the whole idea is fantasy. fender have absolutely no reason to reissue a guitar that was noticeable only for its failure in the 70s. it's enjoyed a small resurgence recently thanks to a handful of wealthy players, and even then none of them would have looked twice at it if it hadn't been for jonny greenwood. it's a waste of time.
In my defence, the original letter was around 700 words, i thought 'Guitarist' mag did a good job with the edit, and got most of the info into a bitesize snippit. But, hey, everyones a critic eh?
As for the reissue idea being a fantasy, then yes, it is definately a long shot, however, i am getting more and more support by the day. It will be hard for Fender to ignore the petition when it reaches its 1st 1000 signatures, they already have an eye on it.
Watch this space
It's a nice idea but the Starcaster is a relic from an ancient past.
I love the Starcaster's design but as a result of it's general obscurity (even now) and the amount it'd cost them to reproduce it they're either not going to do it or make it prohibitively expensive.
You want them to reissue it and make it affordable? That's a flat out no. They'd be risking money.
Also fuck me three dots makes an ellipsis. Three.
I love the Starcaster's design but as a result of it's general obscurity (even now) and the amount it'd cost them to reproduce it they're either not going to do it or make it prohibitively expensive.
You want them to reissue it and make it affordable? That's a flat out no. They'd be risking money.
Also fuck me three dots makes an ellipsis. Three.
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They're not going to reissue something in affordable form that involves the amount of tooling a design like the Starcaster does. Ditto the Coronado. Sorry kids, it's not going to happen.
They would have to know they would both sell in droves - they won't - they're niche. Hugely niche instruments.
The only reason we have Jaguars, Jazzmasters and Mustangs is because they're solid body guitars which share parts with either other or other Fender instruments by and large. The tooling changes on the neck and body CNC machines are simple. This is why every Telecaster, Stratocaster, Jazz Bass and P-Bass imaginable has been reissued and modified and restandardised. Simple changes, low overheads, easy turnover. Take the '72 Telecaster Deluxe RI as an example. The USP of that guitar is the wide-range pickups, which they half arsed. It's a tarted up Telecaster, simple and easy to make. It was Zeigeist because of Radiohead, Franz Ferdinand Blur, Snow Patrol and countless others using them - it made fiscal sense to RI it so they did and they cleaned up.
Fender are a business first and foremost. They won't ever, ever make money RI'ing these guitars so they will not. Ever.
They would have to know they would both sell in droves - they won't - they're niche. Hugely niche instruments.
The only reason we have Jaguars, Jazzmasters and Mustangs is because they're solid body guitars which share parts with either other or other Fender instruments by and large. The tooling changes on the neck and body CNC machines are simple. This is why every Telecaster, Stratocaster, Jazz Bass and P-Bass imaginable has been reissued and modified and restandardised. Simple changes, low overheads, easy turnover. Take the '72 Telecaster Deluxe RI as an example. The USP of that guitar is the wide-range pickups, which they half arsed. It's a tarted up Telecaster, simple and easy to make. It was Zeigeist because of Radiohead, Franz Ferdinand Blur, Snow Patrol and countless others using them - it made fiscal sense to RI it so they did and they cleaned up.
Fender are a business first and foremost. They won't ever, ever make money RI'ing these guitars so they will not. Ever.
yeah i agree, not to be a naysayer but it's very unlikely either one of those is gonna go back in production. even fender japan wouldn't touch that i think.
it's weird, maybe a bit off topic, but i sort of dreamt that i went to some sort of luthier and ask him to build me a teisco ET copy and i put the pickups of my hondo in there, and actually, if i had the money i would. i think iconic guitars that are no longer in production and become more and more rare, if some richass guitarbuilder could buy the rights and all the info needed to make a copy, off of fender.... lol it's a silly thought though
it's weird, maybe a bit off topic, but i sort of dreamt that i went to some sort of luthier and ask him to build me a teisco ET copy and i put the pickups of my hondo in there, and actually, if i had the money i would. i think iconic guitars that are no longer in production and become more and more rare, if some richass guitarbuilder could buy the rights and all the info needed to make a copy, off of fender.... lol it's a silly thought though
Actually I would not be surprised if the Fender company wouldn't own any machinery or templates anymore that can be used to build semi acoustic guitars. Remember, when CBS sold the company in 85 a lot of the old machinery and stuff was not sold with it. They bought 50s Telecasters to reissue the 50s Telecaster back then. Think that says a lot.
So if they wanted to build this in a genuine Fender factory (Corona or Ensenada) they would have to start from scratch. That would make it very expensive. So it could only be done OEM - what would mean a Squier or Fender Japan, or even a Gretsch. But Fender has kept away from the semi hollow models for more than 30 years, and also after they bought up Gretsch. Seems like a general management decision to stay away from expensive-to-build- stuff that was not popular back then and did, other than the Mustang or Jaguar - not even receive much "underground" fame since then.
So if they wanted to build this in a genuine Fender factory (Corona or Ensenada) they would have to start from scratch. That would make it very expensive. So it could only be done OEM - what would mean a Squier or Fender Japan, or even a Gretsch. But Fender has kept away from the semi hollow models for more than 30 years, and also after they bought up Gretsch. Seems like a general management decision to stay away from expensive-to-build- stuff that was not popular back then and did, other than the Mustang or Jaguar - not even receive much "underground" fame since then.
Also, I'm not sure how much attention Fender pay to what people like us want. I'd love to see the Starcaster reissued, just because it's something different, but Fender know that their money comes from selling strats to middle aged men. People at Fender R&D read these forums. They know what we want, but they won't make that, because there aren't very many of us.
I suppose you could argue that the CP Jags and Jazzies prove me wrong on that one. I still wouldn't hold by breath, though. Maybe if you got a petition that was signed by 500,000 lawyers all asking for the Starcaster to be brought back, then they might offer it in the Custom Shop. I don't think they are going to pay attention to you.
I'd be delighted if I'm wrong, though.
I suppose you could argue that the CP Jags and Jazzies prove me wrong on that one. I still wouldn't hold by breath, though. Maybe if you got a petition that was signed by 500,000 lawyers all asking for the Starcaster to be brought back, then they might offer it in the Custom Shop. I don't think they are going to pay attention to you.
I'd be delighted if I'm wrong, though.
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