New 2010/11 Danelectros

[benecol]

No it's not. By extension, your argument (that lots of people are involved in bad things but we don't boycott them) would ultimately mean that, as the whole human race is related somewhere along the line to people who do bad things to other people, based on these standards, if we boycott Dano, we should also boycott everyone and everything. People need to draw a line in the sand and decide on their moral compass: we are talking about a product that serves the creative industry, but is owned by someone who will use our money to fund bigotry. I won't accept my money doing that.

(Edited to remove rogue apostrophe)

[Mike]

I really, really despise this "baby with the bathwater" attitude people have to making the world a better place. Yes there is badness everywhere but nothing will change if you do not have the bollocks and drive to rise above it and make a stand. If everyone thought like you, Will, the world would be a horrible, horrible place. Thank GOD for people with principles and passion and I dunno, empathy?

[Fran]

A bit late to the party, i've read it and read it again, and again.
Will made some valid points, but others have, you cant boycott everything. Last time we had this discussion i chipped in with the buying products manufactured in far east sweatshops argument (we've all done it, whether it be leads, pedals, plectrums or guitars AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT) and quite a few people made the point it does'nt effect them because its not happening in America lol. What was it?... "The workers should stand up for their rights like we had to in 19blahblah". Trade Unions are illegal in some of these countries but anyway..

So based on that mentallity i can buy Danelectro because;
1/ I'm in the UK
2/ I am not gay
3/ I'm indifferent to the value's of marriage.

Does that make me a bigot? Or a bigger bigot than the next guy? Or are we all supporting bigotry but one form of it is worse than the other because a few nobody's decided it is?

Not looking for arguments just intrigued as to what people's opinion is on this.

[Mages]

I think you just have to pick an issue that you're passionate about and stick to it. you don't have to fight every battle; you can't fight every battle. but just because you can't fight every injustice in the world doesn't mean that you should fight nothing. it's not all or nothing. if everyone puts their energy into fighting for something they believe in we can collectively make a difference on a wide range of issues.

maybe you're not passionate about this particular issue... but I think you should be.

or at least half-assedly enough to not buy something. it requires little to no effort and makes a difference by voting with your dollars.


edit - yanked last sentence. didn't like it.

[Mike]

What he said.

[jcyphe]

Boycotting one is arbitrary, pointless, and useless.

Didn't you just complain(falseley by the way) earlier about how "the gays" or whatever weren't doing enough civic disobedience for their cause. Now boycotting is pointless? Was the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott pointless?

You have to get specific, part of the whole key to a successful boycott is having a visible target. Companies thrive on our consumer dollars especially a company with a limited consumer base like a guitar company.

[Will]

fuck it. I don't even want this Dano. I'm pissed about this boycott, pissed marriage is just getting illegal-er with every referendum and vote. Pissed that nobody seems to be fighting this issue in a way that matters. I'm done with it.

I wish I could post a picture OF A FUCKING GUITAR without everybody making their little jabs at the company. But apparently not.

[jcyphe]

fuck it. I don't even want this Dano. I'm pissed about this boycott, pissed marriage is just getting illegal-er with every referendum and vote. Pissed that nobody seems to be fighting this issue in a way that matters. I'm done with it.

I wish I could post a picture OF A FUCKING GUITAR without everybody making their little jabs at the company. But apparently not.

So you want to do what you want and everybody should just shut up and say nothing about their problems with it?

Good luck with that.

[Gavin]

Will hates gayers. I wish he was going to FrogFest so I could pour a beer on his head and scream HATEMONGER into his face. Then I'd text my mates about how hardcore I am on my iPhone built by suicidal Chinese peasants.

But, yeah... what Mages said.

[Fran]

But, yeah... what Mages said.

It sits better since he pulled the last sentence. I agree with it but the bit that pisses me off is the consensus that we are not expected to fight every battle yet this one is a must. Whoever decided this i'd like to thank them for making my decisions for me.

[dezb1]

A bit late to the party, i've read it and read it again, and again.
Will made some valid points, but others have, you cant boycott everything. Last time we had this discussion i chipped in with the buying products manufactured in far east sweatshops argument (we've all done it, whether it be leads, pedals, plectrums or guitars AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT) and quite a few people made the point it does'nt effect them because its not happening in America lol. What was it?... "The workers should stand up for their rights like we had to in 19blahblah". Trade Unions are illegal in some of these countries but anyway..

So based on that mentallity i can buy Danelectro because;
1/ I'm in the UK
2/ I am not gay
3/ I'm indifferent to the value's of marriage.

Does that make me a bigot? Or a bigger bigot than the next guy? Or are we all supporting bigotry but one form of it is worse than the other because a few nobody's decided it is?

Not looking for arguments just intrigued as to what people's opinion is on this.

I tried to make this point (badly some might say) when this debate came up the first time and it still get’s cast up every now and again. I think that marriage on the whole (for gay or straight people) is not as big a deal as the crippling poverty of the people working in sweatshops all over the world. But I don’t think I’ve seen any posts about boycotting cheap FX pedals or any of the other products made in these conditions (probably because we don’t have many sweatshop workers posting on the forum). There are many reasons not to buy so many everyday products, we each have to choose the ones we feel most strongly about and do our bit...

[Will]

Will hates gayers. I wish he was going to FrogFest so I could pour a beer on his head and scream HATEMONGER into his face. Then I'd text my mates about how hardcore I am on my iPhone built by suicidal Chinese peasants.

But, yeah... what Mages said.

Pftthahahahahaha!!!!

I just remembered this kid I went to middle school with. All he would talk about, LITERALLY EVERYTHING, was about how much he hated gays and wanted to kill them all. And if anyone told him to stop he'd accuse them of being gay.

He came out of the closet 3 months into high school. It was AWESOME.

[dezb1]

Will hates gayers. I wish he was going to FrogFest so I could pour a beer on his head and scream HATEMONGER into his face. Then I'd text my mates about how hardcore I am on my iPhone built by suicidal Chinese peasants.

But, yeah... what Mages said.

Pftthahahahahaha!!!!

I just remembered this kid I went to middle school with. All he would talk about, LITERALLY EVERYTHING, was about how much he hated gays and wanted to kill them all. And if anyone told him to stop he'd accuse them of being gay.

He came out of the closet 3 months into high school. It was AWESOME.

Well you know the old saying: ‘it’s the squeaky wheel that wants greasing’

[James]

Pftthahahahahaha!!!!

I just remembered this kid I went to middle school with. All he would talk about, LITERALLY EVERYTHING, was about how much he hated gays and wanted to kill them all. And if anyone told him to stop he'd accuse them of being gay.

He came out of the closet 3 months into high school. It was AWESOME.

I don't find stories like that funny or ironic. The sad truth is that he behaved that way because he was struggling to deal with the way American culture treats gay men. The real irony here is that it's things like prop 8 being voted against that create that culture.

I think answer to 'why this battle and not one that is more important?' is partly that a guitar is something very personal, you literally hold it in your hands the whole time you use it, you interact with it in a way that is intimate enough for people (douches, I admit) to often name them. To have that relationship with an inanimate object and know that the money you spent on that is funding donations to vote against prop 8 cheapens the whole process like finding out the stunning brunette you've been having such a great time with lately is also knocking off your dad. But really I think the main thing is that it is very attainable. We all know the feeling of being powerless to respond to the might of business but I'm sure the majority do small things to 'do what they can'. Buying free range or organic eggs is something that is a small step in a good direction, and in the grand scheme of things its not much more than a token gesture. Is not buying a danelectro guitar going to solve the bigotry we're talking about here? Absolutely not, but if this sort of boycott is actually hurting their sales than perhaps further donations won't happen from the owner, and maybe a few other small business would be scared out of doing the same. It's obviously a small impact but I honestly think for those of us in our 20s and 30s now, within our lifetime we can see a reduction in homophobia similar to that in racism over the past 50 years.

Saying all that, I would like for someone to buy a new Danelectro guitar and put a sticker on it saying 'This machine funds fascists'.

[alex]

Saying all that, I would like for someone to buy a new Danelectro guitar and put a sticker on it saying 'This machine funds fascists'.

HMMM. I'm in the market for a used one. I may do this or something similar anyway.

[Rox]

I love the look of Danos . I just wish they didn't feel and play like shit.

What danos have you played? Every single one I've touched has been amazing. The two I own included.

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Hate to get on a bashing session on Danos but I guess it's better than the Gay hijack going on........

I've played a few of the reissues . Last one was the Dead On Hornet one Also played a 59 reissue and a Longhorn . Loved the look but the thing had zero sustain , buzzed like a bee and looked like it was put together by a couple of special needs 12 year olds . And the pickups ? I could make better pickups with a fucking spool of cheap wire and a AA battery. A Jerry Jones on the other hand is nice but the prices want to make me spoon my eyes out . Take a Dano and make it with Jerry Jones quality and still have a Dano price and then we're talking . As for the Longhorn bass ? Like it . Sounded good . But the build of it ? Vinyl trim looking like it's gonna peel on the first warm day . The cheap plastic knobs ? I passed it . I know all about the cheap charm but if I wanted cheap charm I'd get a Tiesco . It it wasn't for Led Zeppelin those masonite pieces of shit would be known better for being door stoppers or pinata whackers. Sorry for the hate bomb , Man.

[timhulio]

The Hornet isn't supposed to have much sustain- it's got a wooden bridge! Not tried either of those new Danos myself, but the 12-string Nick's got there from the mid/late 90s is well-made, with gotoh tuners and a well-designed metal bridge. The DC-3 from that same series is also great guitar. Really regret selling mine now. No idea what you mean about the pickups, but they're not supposed to be hot. They're lipsticks.

Also, the Prop 8 issue isn't a hijack, it's something that everyone should consider before throwing down any money for Danelectro product in future.

[benecol]

The two baritones I've had (a Longhorn and a 63) had loads of sustain - possibly the most of any guitar I've owned. The 59RI I had was by no means a slouch either.

[Nick]

I've played a few of the reissues . Last one was the Dead On Hornet one Also played a 59 reissue and a Longhorn . Loved the look but the thing had zero sustain , buzzed like a bee and looked like it was put together by a couple of special needs 12 year olds . And the pickups ? I could make better pickups with a fucking spool of cheap wire and a AA battery. A Jerry Jones on the other hand is nice but the prices want to make me spoon my eyes out . Take a Dano and make it with Jerry Jones quality and still have a Dano price and then we're talking . As for the Longhorn bass ? Like it . Sounded good . But the build of it ? Vinyl trim looking like it's gonna peel on the first warm day . The cheap plastic knobs ? I passed it . I know all about the cheap charm but if I wanted cheap charm I'd get a Tiesco . It it wasn't for Led Zeppelin those masonite pieces of shit would be known better for being door stoppers or pinata whackers. Sorry for the hate bomb , Man.

Your argument has less validity than it started out with.

How does a guitar look like it was put together by 12 year old special needs kids? It's a simple construction style, and I've never seen one that had any major flaws in finish or woodwork.

The pickups? I'm sorry they're not EMGs, but they are fantastic. A bit weak yes, but they chime easily and have their own sound. I've recorded with them, and play out with them and although I could swing it and have thought about it, I haven't upgraded my 12 string to a Rickenbacker because I actually PREFER the feel and sound of the Danelectro to a Ric 12 string. Better quality instrument for sure, but the Dano is far easier to play and even with the stock pickups it sounds pretty damn close.

A price on a Jerry Jones has made you want to spoon your eyes out? You would've saved me the trouble of replying to your troll ass if you followed through. I've seen several in my local shop for around $550-$700 or so...and honestly they played no different than the Danos I've had and played.

Don't like the tape? Pull it off, or replace it if it peels....or buy one of the models that didn't come with it in the first place. The tape on both of mine are holding up well, and I gig with the DC-12 about twice a month and practice weekly. Cheap plastic knobs? For fucks sake man, MOST guitars have cheap plastic knobs.

On the other hand, I have played very few Teiscos that did NOT have horrible necks, tuners that did not keep tune, and electronics that buzzed, were microphonic, or barely worked at all.

If you want to hear my DC-12 in action, there's three of our 12 string tunes on this website : http://reverbnation.com/therelicsjams

Songs are Hey Caroline, Lost In The Woods and Outta Yer Money

Good day, Sir.

[Mustang Melx]

I have no idea why gay people would want to indoctrinate themselves in that out of date religious and social bulllshit anyway.

fuck marriage, gay or otherwise.