What about that square in the middle of the arch of the saddle?Haze wrote:Those pre-slotted nuts wont be cut thick enough, they're only "pre" slotted. A well cut nut is probably the most important factor on the guitar's playability and tuning in my opinion. It'll have to have the right height to clear the first fret but not feel like its set up for slide. If you don't have proper files i'd recommend having it set up by a luthier or get yourself the right tools and practice.
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I'd set a piece of sand paper on the fretboard and sand the nut to the radius of the fretboard, that way it'll be a flush fit all of the way across. If the nut slot isn't radiused like the fretboard then... bugger all... I take mine to my tech, costs me $30 but i've had zero problems with any of them
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I sanded down the nut and stuck it in. I will let my tech glue it in for me. Just need it to help me line up the strings when I wire up the guitar. I map out my tuners and used my drill press to drill the mounting screw holes. I love have the precision depth control with the drill press. I pressed in the "ferrules" and mounted the tuners. Still no word on the 2 cans of clear coat I ordered.
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Reranch came through again and I received 2 more cans of nitrocellulose clear coat via UPS. I just put on my 3rd coat tonight. at least 2 more coming. Seems like its taking forever. I may try spraying wetter coats to speed up the process.
Once I finish clear coating I can paint in the shielding paint and start putting her back together.
Once I finish clear coating I can paint in the shielding paint and start putting her back together.
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I have sprayed so many clear coats I have lost track. Lots of sanding to smooth out rough spots in the finish today. I just finished my 3rd can of clear coat just as the body is starting to gloss over. Figures. About on par for my projects, both guitar and otherwise, lately. I just placed an order for 2 more cans of clear coat. I should have listened to my wife when she told me to buy 3 cans instead of 2 cans. That's why it's a learning process. That will set me back a couple of days at least. I will post a picture when I get the body glossed and polished.
Rule #1: No such thing as too many cans of clear coat!
I did find a great tool for working on a guitar body called bench cookies. They elevate and hold the body securely without risking scuffs or sliding the body on a table.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21496
Rule #1: No such thing as too many cans of clear coat!
I did find a great tool for working on a guitar body called bench cookies. They elevate and hold the body securely without risking scuffs or sliding the body on a table.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21496
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I am about to finish putting my 4th can of Nitro clear coat on the body. Is it normal to put that much clear coat on one guitar body? I have doing lots of sanding between coats to get a smooth uniform feel to the body. I have one more can of clear if I need it, but I never thought I would go through 4 cans at this point.
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it depends on how much clear you're wanting to put on. nitro clear is very thin, anyways.
what kind of hardening time are you giving in between coats? not that it would matter if you're going for thickness, but if you are, then you should just use poly.
when i do up my jazzuar, i'll do maybe 2-3 coats, so it wears nicely.
what kind of hardening time are you giving in between coats? not that it would matter if you're going for thickness, but if you are, then you should just use poly.
when i do up my jazzuar, i'll do maybe 2-3 coats, so it wears nicely.
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That helps me understand it better. I allow anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour between coats. The only nitro guitar I have is my AVRI Jaguar and its nice and glossy. I should start see the desired results soon.
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from ReRanch:hotrodperlmutter wrote:yeah, i think you're supposed to wait like, weeks in between coats. not that it makes it any thicker, but it allows it to harden, and dry smooth. the more you sand on it, the more you have to make up for that lost surface area you sand away.
spray three passes to make a coat, allow each coat to dry at least three hours and spray no more than three coats a day for at least three days. Hence, "The Rule of Threes". Since I have run out of clear coat twice, the body has had 4 to 5 days off each time to harden up.
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I am officially on my 5th and final can of clear coat. I am not buying anymore so I need to get it right. I am getting close because I can now see my reflection beginning to appear. I will need a little more tomorrow and then I can start getting ready for final polishing and shielding.
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Can anyone offer me guidance on the final polishing phase? I have been reading the ReRanch website and trying to understand the process.
Haze, I know you just finished this process with your Musicmaster so any advice would be appreciated.
Do I really need 8 different grades of sandpaper? I am just nervous about oversanding through the finish. I also have never really wetsanded before and don't want to screw up at this stage in the build.After allowing the instrument to dry at least three days (with nitrocellulose lacquer, the longer the better) final sanding and polishing can be done. The sanding will be done with successively finer grades of paper. The paper found at automotive color supply stores works well. The grades required are #400, #600, #800, #1000, #1200, #1500 and #2000. One sheet of each is all that is required. Allow the paper to soak overnight in water before beginning.
Use a small flat block when sanding to prevent your fingers from causing furrows in the finish. As noted a small computer battery is a personal favorite. Sanding first with the #400 grade, sand until all the shiny spots are gone. When done correctly, the finish should be uniform and matte. As you move up to the next grade check the finish in a good light. You should find that the finish is becoming more reflective and that the sanding scratches are becoming fainter. At the #1200 level the finish is now being polished and should reflect images. If you find you have missed a spot, sand backwards until the grade is reached that will blend the spot and then move back to the grade level where you were in successive grades.
Haze, I know you just finished this process with your Musicmaster so any advice would be appreciated.
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But did you do the whole sanding of the finish process?Haze wrote:My finish looks a bit shit, I barely finished off a can of clear and was too excited to start playing it that I didn't bother with pollishing the front of the body!
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I have done a couple of different things in terms of clear coats... on the SFG Duo Sonic, I went with the better part of three cans of ReRanch clear nitro. I sprayed three passes per coat but usually four coats per day. My passes and coats were pretty misty at first, and gradually heavier as the lacquer started to build up. I gave it at least an hour between coats, usually 2-3. It was warm here, but not ridiculously hot (70-90 degrees), and the humidity was on the low side - 35-40%, so things tended to dry fairly fast.
If you're expecting your clear coats to look really glossy and shiny as you're spraying them, you may be disappointed. It will get glossier as you get more coats on, but the full gloss comes as a result of the final sanding and polishing. The main reason for lots of clear coats is partially for gloss, but mainly for sand through protection. I'd say if you have two cans of clear on, you're probably safe... but three may be safer. Four is probably overkill. If you're at five CANS, you probably have enough clear on there now.
Give it a LOT of time to dry. Seriously - with that many clear coats, I'd suggest a MINIMUM of two weeks, and a month would definitely be better. Extend those times 50% if the temps are cold and / or the humidity is high.
Again, the REAL SHINE will come in only at the END of the sanding process. What little gloss you can see now will quickly disappear as you start to sand with 600 grit paper. You WANT to get it to look fully dull, with no "shiny spots" left as you sand. Once you have it even, then move on to the next finer grit (800) paper. The idea is to get rid of the sanding marks from the previous paper with the new, finer grit paper. I'd recommend wet sanding (with a few drops of dish soap liquid in the water for lubrication), and even though you can no longer see the grain, sand "with the grain". Keep working your way up through the finer and finer grades of paper - get up to at LEAST 1200 grit; 1500 or 2000 is better, but Finesse It will buff out any remaining fine scratches from 1200 grit or finer paper. YOU WILL NOT SEE A SHINE coming back at you until at least 1000 grit, and even then, the real shine won't happen until you get to that buffing stage. Finesse It works great BTW.
If you're expecting your clear coats to look really glossy and shiny as you're spraying them, you may be disappointed. It will get glossier as you get more coats on, but the full gloss comes as a result of the final sanding and polishing. The main reason for lots of clear coats is partially for gloss, but mainly for sand through protection. I'd say if you have two cans of clear on, you're probably safe... but three may be safer. Four is probably overkill. If you're at five CANS, you probably have enough clear on there now.
Give it a LOT of time to dry. Seriously - with that many clear coats, I'd suggest a MINIMUM of two weeks, and a month would definitely be better. Extend those times 50% if the temps are cold and / or the humidity is high.
Again, the REAL SHINE will come in only at the END of the sanding process. What little gloss you can see now will quickly disappear as you start to sand with 600 grit paper. You WANT to get it to look fully dull, with no "shiny spots" left as you sand. Once you have it even, then move on to the next finer grit (800) paper. The idea is to get rid of the sanding marks from the previous paper with the new, finer grit paper. I'd recommend wet sanding (with a few drops of dish soap liquid in the water for lubrication), and even though you can no longer see the grain, sand "with the grain". Keep working your way up through the finer and finer grades of paper - get up to at LEAST 1200 grit; 1500 or 2000 is better, but Finesse It will buff out any remaining fine scratches from 1200 grit or finer paper. YOU WILL NOT SEE A SHINE coming back at you until at least 1000 grit, and even then, the real shine won't happen until you get to that buffing stage. Finesse It works great BTW.
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You can probably start with 600, go to 800, then 1000 and then stop after 1200 and then move on to buffing with Finesse It. That would be the minimum you'd "need". If you have a ton of orange peel to the paint, starting with 400 (but go gently!) will save you some time in terms of leveling it off initially, but there's no way around it... sanding is a slow and time consuming process. Go slow, use a block, and check where you are frequently. A whitish color to the sanded off material is the clear coming off and normal.. if you start getting color in there (blue?) or on the paper, then you're about to sand through! Let the weight of the paper and block do the work for you - you don't need to rub fast or press hard.taylornutt wrote:Can anyone offer me guidance on the final polishing phase? I have been reading the ReRanch website and trying to understand the process.
Do I really need 8 different grades of sandpaper? I am just nervous about oversanding through the finish. I also have never really wetsanded before and don't want to screw up at this stage in the build.After allowing the instrument to dry at least three days (with nitrocellulose lacquer, the longer the better) final sanding and polishing can be done. The sanding will be done with successively finer grades of paper. The paper found at automotive color supply stores works well. The grades required are #400, #600, #800, #1000, #1200, #1500 and #2000. One sheet of each is all that is required. Allow the paper to soak overnight in water before beginning.
Use a small flat block when sanding to prevent your fingers from causing furrows in the finish. As noted a small computer battery is a personal favorite. Sanding first with the #400 grade, sand until all the shiny spots are gone. When done correctly, the finish should be uniform and matte. As you move up to the next grade check the finish in a good light. You should find that the finish is becoming more reflective and that the sanding scratches are becoming fainter. At the #1200 level the finish is now being polished and should reflect images. If you find you have missed a spot, sand backwards until the grade is reached that will blend the spot and then move back to the grade level where you were in successive grades.
Haze, I know you just finished this process with your Musicmaster so any advice would be appreciated.
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Since I have run out of clear coat twice, the body has had 4 to 5 days off each time to harden up.
That's good. But it looks like you applied your final coats of clear on 8/4/10 - I'd wait AT LEAST until 8/11 (one week) before even thinking about starting the sanding, and it would definitely be better to wait until 8/18 (two weeks) before doing so. Most refinishers will tell you that you should ideally wait a MONTH between the last clear coat application and the beginning of the sanding process. That may be a bit on the long / conservative side, but sanding too early will potentially lead to some very big problems, so it's generally better to be safe than sorry in terms of drying time...
That's good. But it looks like you applied your final coats of clear on 8/4/10 - I'd wait AT LEAST until 8/11 (one week) before even thinking about starting the sanding, and it would definitely be better to wait until 8/18 (two weeks) before doing so. Most refinishers will tell you that you should ideally wait a MONTH between the last clear coat application and the beginning of the sanding process. That may be a bit on the long / conservative side, but sanding too early will potentially lead to some very big problems, so it's generally better to be safe than sorry in terms of drying time...
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Phil,
Thanks for the wisdom and the pictures. Since I am a noob at this stage, it's nice to see what I will I can expect. I went to the wookworking shop and got some Micro-Mesh Cushioned Abrasives that start at #1500 and go up to #12,000!
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page ... micro-mesh
Not sure I can wait 2 weeks, but I will wait a few days before giving it a go for sure.
Thanks for the wisdom and the pictures. Since I am a noob at this stage, it's nice to see what I will I can expect. I went to the wookworking shop and got some Micro-Mesh Cushioned Abrasives that start at #1500 and go up to #12,000!
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page ... micro-mesh
Not sure I can wait 2 weeks, but I will wait a few days before giving it a go for sure.
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Squier FSR Sparkle Jaguar | Squier CV Mustang |1971 Fender Bronco| Baja Telecaster |
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