NEW! "Blacktop" Fenders [Strat, Tele, Jazzmaster]

dezb1 · Post by **dezb1** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:08 pm

This

just looks like an affordable version of these over priced logs

Which can only be a good thing...

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:13 pm

benecol, on page two of this very thread, wrote:This is what the Sonic Youth Jazzmasters should have been like.

With the bridge humbucker, it's actually a more accurate SY guitar than their sigs.

dezb1 · Post by **dezb1** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:48 pm

benecol wrote:
benecol, on page two of this very thread, wrote:This is what the Sonic Youth Jazzmasters should have been like.
With the bridge humbucker, it's actually a more accurate SY guitar than their sigs.

I missed that, as I was sort of skimming through the thread to catch up...
But you sir are correct

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:31 pm

ultratwin wrote:In case anyone else missed the additional poasts on HC and TDPRI: Prices that make your go HMMMM.

The "coming soon" caveat is in place, but I reckon there's a good chance we're closer to the reality of a $450 price tag.

comes with a free behringer delay pedal too. lol

Johno · Post by **Johno** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:30 pm

endsjustifymeans wrote:
ultratwin wrote:In case anyone else missed the additional poasts on HC and TDPRI: Prices that make your go HMMMM.

The "coming soon" caveat is in place, but I reckon there's a good chance we're closer to the reality of a $450 price tag.
comes with a free behringer delay pedal too. lol

$450 is about Â£280, but as we know uk shops don't work like that they will just swap the $ for a Â£

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:07 am

BacchusPaul wrote:This thread has got me thinking about Jazzmasters again and making me remember that I really want the Mascis one.

The Mascis JM is the most visually appealing Jazzmaster for sure. Looks delicious. It's cool they have a Jazzmaster with the basswood body kinda like a Jagstang!

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:10 am

taylornutt wrote:The Mascis JM is the most visually appealing Jazzmaster for sure.

You, sir, have just been corrected:

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xShifty · Post by **xShifty** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:17 am

taylornutt wrote:The Mascis JM is the most visually appalling Jazzmaster for sure.

Double corrected.

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:22 am

Haze wrote:
taylornutt wrote:The Mascis JM is the most visually appealing Jazzmaster for sure.
You, sir, have just been corrected:
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You are comparing the most expensive American Jazzmaster to Purple Sparkle Japanese Jazzmaster. Honestly I like them both. I just have had a thing for sparkles since I first saw the Blue Squier Supersonics. I also love the gold pickguard. I would probably lean Costello just because its more vintage spec than the Mascis. Haze, I will take which ever one you will buy for me

or

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:28 am

Someone on OSG has a Costello JM with a anodized gold pickguard, HOLY SEX i love that thing, perfect. MUST FINISH ME JAZZMASTA

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:29 am

Haze wrote:Someone on OSG has a Costello JM with a anodized gold pickguard, HOLY SEX i love that thing, perfect. MUST FINISH ME JAZZMASTA

You have been in guitar heaven lately. You just finished the Musimaster, working on a Jazzmaster and just bought a Squier CV Tele custom. Living the dream.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:34 am

taylornutt wrote:Honestly I like them both. I just have had a thing for sparkles since I first saw the Blue Squier Supersonics. I also love the gold pickguard. I would probably lean Costello just because its more vintage spec than the Mascis. Haze, I will take which ever one you will buy for me

Pretty much my stance too, except that I prefer the Mascis because it isn't vintage. I like the idea of the hotter pickups.

Mustang Melx · Post by **Mustang Melx** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:02 pm

Johno wrote:
endsjustifymeans wrote:
ultratwin wrote:In case anyone else missed the additional poasts on HC and TDPRI: Prices that make your go HMMMM.

The "coming soon" caveat is in place, but I reckon there's a good chance we're closer to the reality of a $450 price tag.
comes with a free behringer delay pedal too. lol

$450 is about Â£280, but as we know uk shops don't work like that they will just swap the $ for a Â£

I don't think so, this doesn't happen with any other fenders, the CP jazzmaster is about $800 in the USA I'm lead to believe, they ain't Â£800 here are they??

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:14 pm

Â£650-680 for a sunburst.

too expensive for me, whichever way you slice it.

Zeezee · Post by **Zeezee** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:52 am

Better pics here on the Aussie Fender site.

http://www.fender.com.au/electricguitar ... uitars.php

Post by **Mike** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:02 am

I know I'm a nerd, but that tiny Stratocaster font for the Jaguar is fucking heinous, ditto truss road placement, tuners.

BAHHHH

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:06 am

Pickup rings mounted to a pickguard... why? Total Sonex throwback.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:42 am

Mustang Melx wrote:
Johno wrote:
endsjustifymeans wrote: comes with a free behringer delay pedal too. lol

$450 is about Â£280, but as we know uk shops don't work like that they will just swap the $ for a Â£
I don't think so, this doesn't happen with any other fenders, the CP jazzmaster is about $800 in the USA I'm lead to believe, they ain't Â£800 here are they??

Excuse the length but this subject is something I used be entirely negative about but now have a little experience that has changed my opinion somewhat:

The cost of shipping is bad enough but the import tax a business pays for US goods is fucking killer in the UK and this has to be reflected in the retail cost unfortunately.... so its not always that all retailers are over pricing to make mega bucks. The margin for most honest ones, after costs, is probably no more than stateside and more likely to be less.

An example - - i ordered nearly a grand of stock from Dwarfcraft and after shipping and import tax I need to add on around Â£20 per pedal for 9 pedals to break even on those costs. To be competitive with the other europe outlets I need to put more on certain pedals than others i.e I need to bring Pedal A in under a certain price point so they get Â£10 added, Pedal B I can afford 30 added and still beat the competition in europe AND make it marginally cheaper and quicker than ordering from the USA (incl Import tax) so the offset goes there.... (Those are simplified examples just to illustrate and don't represent real figures BTW it more like 6.23 here and 9.56 there ...).

Its a weird and annoying position to be in as a fellow 'consumer' but on the other side of the fence you can't be a charity either - I make up for it by doing what I can where I can for folks as some here know.

Sorry anyways bit off topic..

kypdurron · Post by **kypdurron** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:16 pm

while this is a valid point, a retailer doesn't pay the same price you pay. He doesn't buy from musicians friend or so and has to add tax and shipping to this. He gets the dealer price, and he doesn't pay US tax I would believe. And they ship in large quantities. As our economics professor once said:

"Red wine from Chile is cheaper than red wine from France, and red wine from France is cheaper than german wine. That clearly shows that shipping costs don't matter."

The thing is, retailers of course must see what they pay to make their prices, but the 2nd step is always what they hope they can get for the guitar where they want to sell it. I didn't believe that, but just check the thomann site for a popular guitar, let's say a classic 60s Tele, the price for differs up to 15 % on their different portals for spanish, english, greek, dutch, german ... customers. All these guitars had the same wholesale price, come from the same container and are shipped from Treppendorf, Germany. Why would they be priced different?

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:28 pm

kypdurron wrote:while this is a valid point, a retailer doesn't pay the same price you pay. He doesn't buy from musicians friend or so and has to add tax and shipping to this. He gets the dealer price, and he doesn't pay US tax I would believe. And they ship in large quantities. As our economics professor once said:
"Red wine from Chile is cheaper than red wine from France, and red wine from France is cheaper than german wine. That clearly shows that shipping costs don't matter."
The thing is, retailers of course must see what they pay to make their prices, but the 2nd step is always what they hope they can get for the guitar where they want to sell it. I didn't believe that, but just check the thomann site for a popular guitar, let's say a classic 60s Tele, the price for differs up to 15 % on their different portals for spanish, english, greek, dutch, german ... customers. All these guitars had the same wholesale price, come from the same container and are shipped from Treppendorf, Germany. Why would they be priced different?

No the retailer doean't pay the same as you. Without a profit margin there would be no business so it's a moot point. I DO understand wanting things as cheap as possible of course but retailers are people too ya know

. It also kind of implys that a product is ONLY worth the manufacturers price. Not true - Manufacturers sell to many retail outlets because the more they have the more money they make. If they charge 50 for a pedal and sell ten units to ten outlets they make much less than promoting more outlets by selling at 30 a pedal and selling 15 units to 20 outlets

As to the retailer doesn't pay US TAX - no but I assume the Manufacturer does and therefore factors that into his costs which is then covered in the price paid by...the retailer! This is just how business works for good or bad.

We also don't all ship in large quanities. I mean any given street guitar shop is going to order, what?, a handful of any one guitar at a time? Thats NOT the same thing as ordering 50,000 iphones from china. It's just not. Yes 'more equals less' money and that is pretty much already repesented in the pricing of everything that is on the shelves including guitars RELATIVE to the numbers manufactured....so again I don't see this as a valid criticism. I DO think there are plenty of cases where retailers are trying to rip of the consumer of course , I am not denying that in the slightest. If you look at the economy behind diamonds for example its all a massive fucking lie (the industry is carefully controlled to make an abundant substance cost a lot).

You thomann comment - Absolutley I agree there is the market price based on what they think they can get i agree BUT I don't know about eurpoean countries with Euros but there is a small thing called the exchange rate that makes things cost more or less depending on what country you live in. That also sucks for a UK business at the moment. 2 years ago I got 2 dollars for my pound.

Cheap guitars come from china because they make more and labour and parts are cheaper. Its not the same thing as ordering Japanese or American made guitars (or wherever) in pourely terms of figures.