Traditional Jag Trem on a Jag HH?

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:18 am

This has probably been discussed at length but can you install a traditional trem on a black jaguar hh that does not have one, perhap's someone could provide a link to a thread that discusses this particular topic?

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:31 am

Give me a month or so and ill have a thread up...

In short - yes.

You can either move it closer to the bridge to cover the stoptail posts or have it in the traditional location and leave the holes there.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:43 am

Cool I've gone back and forth with either putting in a trad trem or installing a bigsby b5 w/ vibramate, I finally decided to try and convert it to trad trem I have the part's and I'm thinking I'm gonna take it to my local guitar place just wanted to check wit the expert's here first!

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:01 am

Haze wrote:Give me a month or so and ill have a thread up...

In short - yes.

You can either move it closer to the bridge to cover the stoptail posts or have it in the traditional location and leave the holes there.

Wouldn't putting it closer to the bridge increase the tension on the bridge, thus helping with the usual rattle issues anyway?

GreenKnee · Post by **GreenKnee** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:18 am

Pens wrote:
Haze wrote:Give me a month or so and ill have a thread up...

In short - yes.

You can either move it closer to the bridge to cover the stoptail posts or have it in the traditional location and leave the holes there.
Wouldn't putting it closer to the bridge increase the tension on the bridge, thus helping with the usual rattle issues anyway?

Classic Player HH?

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:36 am

Pens wrote:Wouldn't putting it closer to the bridge increase the tension on the bridge, thus helping with the usual rattle issues anyway?

Increases the break angle, the tension is the same. More break angle means the string contacts the bridge more firmly which would help with any rattle. A properly set up Jag with 11s or higher (as they were designed for) shouldn't rattle, even my cheapo MIJ bridge is silent and stable.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:27 am

MatthewK wrote:
Pens wrote:Wouldn't putting it closer to the bridge increase the tension on the bridge, thus helping with the usual rattle issues anyway?
Increases the break angle, the tension is the same. More break angle means the string contacts the bridge more firmly which would help with any rattle. A properly set up Jag with 11s or higher (as they were designed for) shouldn't rattle, even my cheapo MIJ bridge is silent and stable.

Yeah, that's what I was going for.

The rattle is common enough that there's an actual aftermarket product made to stop it. While I've gotten mine to go away with the combo of taping the posts and filing grooves in that shitty shit bridge, it does still happen stock, even with 11s, which is all I use.

MattK · Post by **MattK** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:45 am

I know that some people have helped rattle problems by dropping the bridge low and cranking the saddles high - I also just "nip" the height screws slightly after setting it up (meaning, I just put the hex key in them and tap it with my finger in the tightening direction, without actually turning them). That kind of snugs everything up.
I've had a MIJ bridge and an AVRI bridge on my Jag, no problems with either, so I guess it just suits how I play or how I set it up.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:21 pm

The Jag I was refering to was the black and chrome with no trem system I have a classic player hh but I don't really like the trem on it when the bar
is set up in the trem it's extremely close to the pickguard which make's using it kinda useless.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:26 pm

I've also thought about getting a jazzmaster mainly because I want to be able to bend note's in a way much like Adam Franklin
and he use's a jazzmaster but if I could set my jag hh up that way I wouldn't have to shell out the cash if their's any difference in the
trem system's.

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:47 pm

Cody_Pole wrote:I have a classic player hh but I don't really like the trem on it when the bar
is set up in the trem it's extremely close to the pickguard which make's using it kinda useless.

That's strange... I don't have that problem with my CP JM (same bridge, same trem, same placement as your HH).
Are you sure this is not a setup issue? Have you tried loosing the trem screw a little?

Thom · Post by **Thom** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:27 pm

Cody_Pole wrote:The Jag I was refering to was the black and chrome with no trem system I have a classic player hh but I don't really like the trem on it when the bar
is set up in the trem it's extremely close to the pickguard which make's using it kinda useless.

Can you just bend the bar out a bit?

Noirie. · Post by **Noirie.** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:52 pm

Thom wrote:
Cody_Pole wrote:The Jag I was refering to was the black and chrome with no trem system I have a classic player hh but I don't really like the trem on it when the bar
is set up in the trem it's extremely close to the pickguard which make's using it kinda useless.
Can you just bend the bar out a bit?

LINK

Scroll down abit and theres a little section on how to do this.

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:18 pm

THE TENSION IS NOT DETERMINED BY THE DISTANCE! its the break angle that gives it another form of reisistance that is almost like a downard tension.
but yeah, moving it forward>-increase break angle of strings over bridge=stable saddles.
also, i think that if fender took 1/8 less out of the neck pocket that would help DRAMATICALLY.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:50 pm

RE:Have you tried loosing the trem screw a little?

How would I do this?

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:54 pm

It might not help much but IME, messing with the spring tesnsion will change the angle of the collet (tube in which your trem arm screws into), which will change the trem arm angle a little bit.

You should aim for the collet to be as close to a 90 degree angle in relation to the body as possible, while maintaining enough tension on the spring for the trem to be useable.

If that's already the case, your trem arm might be misshapen and bending it back a bit might be your only option.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:01 pm

Cool I'll try it out thank's for all the info guy's!

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:26 pm

SUCCSESS!!!!!!!!!!!!! so much better

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:27 pm

Rockin'!

How did you end up fixing it?

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:29 pm

I used the nifty diagram you provided muchos gracias!!