What do you prefer for shoegaze Jag or Jazz?

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:59 pm

Once again this has probably been discussed at length but I'm new here and once again if their's a link to a previous thread I'd be super interested
in checking it out.Also I know you can us pretty much any guitar for the gaze but I thought I'd key in on these model's as they pretty much go hand in hand
with the genre.

GlobalCooling · Post by **GlobalCooling** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:26 pm

Cody_Pole wrote:Once again this has probably been discussed at length but I'm new here and once again if their's a link to a previous thread I'd be super interested
in checking it out.Also I know you can us pretty much any guitar for the gaze but I thought I'd key in on these model's as they pretty much go hand in hand
with the genre.

That should have been the end of this thread. It really doesn't matter.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:29 pm

Yeah I know but I posted this to get a sense from anybody who uses either of these guitar's for shoegaze as to which one they prefer so in actuality
there is a purpose to this post.

mickie08 · Post by **mickie08** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:56 pm

I prefer earplugs.

Just kidding.....at least a little bit

mickie08 · Post by **mickie08** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:57 pm

Really though it totally is on your style. I also love when you see a guiktsr player playing stuff not associated with their type of music...I.e. metal with a tele.

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:23 pm

Having said that though sometime's it's blantantly ridiculous to see certain guitar's played in genre's that you wouldn't really associate them with
like a pop punk band guy playing a jazzmaster or a jaguar it strike's me as a bit funny but that's just me, your allowed to play whatever.Once again
I created this post too see if anybody on here has a preference between these two guitar's in particular, so far the responses to this post are very similar to the scene in I love you man where Paul Rudd ask's beatle's or stone's and all the dude's don't really care.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:29 pm

Cody_Pole wrote:Having said that though sometime's it's blantantly ridiculous to see certain guitar's played in genre's that you wouldn't really associate them with
like a pop punk band guy playing a jazzmaster or a jaguar it strike's me as a bit funny

Whoa, you would've hated the '90s.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:43 pm

Aye there is some irony in this thread but i wont go into that any further.
For Shoegaze? I would pick the Jag, crystal cleans and the filter switch gives you an extra sonic option. You'd be better off with a Strat but i wont look right i suppose, but the Jag/Jazzy trem is better for 'chord gliding'.

mickie08 · Post by **mickie08** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:49 pm

jag is more versatile I think withe the switching and such.

I would think with shoegaze, you want alot of sonic options. That can be via pedals, guitar options, or a combination of both.

Maybe something that was more like a strat and then modded furhter for individual on/off/phase switching.

Justyn · Post by **Justyn** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:19 pm

Belindastang

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:57 pm

I loved the 90's there are good and bad thing's about every era, I like the jag for the exact reason of having sonic option's and now that I've figured out(thank's to the fine fellow's on this site) how to adjust my trem bar the skies the limit!

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:02 pm

Cody_Pole wrote:the 90's

LOOK! HE GOT ONE RIGHT!

Cody_Pole · Post by **Cody_Pole** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:12 pm

I'm not a total screw up

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:27 am

Friggin' hell, not wishing to lord it over anyone/ no offence etc, but apostrophes don't automatically precede an S. If you aren't sure how they work just leave them out, it makes for extremely difficult reading.

sp3k · Post by **sp3k** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:53 am

i really like to use a bridge tele pickup for more shoegazing sounds. Even when having tons off reverb and other stuff one i still hear the strings, if that makes any sense...

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:05 am

BacchusPaul wrote:
Cody_Pole wrote:the 90's
LOOK! HE GOT ONE RIGHT!

Pretty sure its "90s"
Note to self: everything that ends with an "s" now ends with an " 's "

On topic - Tele

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:31 am

Haze wrote:Pretty sure its "90s"

At University style lectures we were told that there is no real rule yet for either decades written as above, or for certain abbreviations, so it's a matter of choice and taste for the writer.

So, CDs, CD's, 90s and 90's can all be considered correct.

It's a funny one though, and an annoying niggly one. I want to know one way or the other.

ultratwin · Post by **ultratwin** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:39 am

Goodness. The apostrophe should be used in the above to denote the absence of something, hence '90s(because the 19 is not preceding the 90), unless the possession is indicated, such as "1990's music", which still looks/sounds weird...But thanks to the past few days here I've been questioning everything I thought was right.

The answer to the thread questions first: It probably won't matter.

The question of shoegazing and guitars is not a dumb question, but it's sorta silly for one to ask in such a vague way, without band references. The genre has been so defined and redefined and now applied to just about everyone (See: "The Cure is so EMO lolz" for a similar issue), and it must be noted that the late 1980s to early 1990s bands that seemingly fit the genre in the books sounded so different from each other. The Dream Pop genre got bled into by 'gazers and vise-versa, and let's face it, they were using every guitar imaginable...Gibsons, Fenders, Humbuckers, and singles, Firebirds and Teles, Jags and Jazzos. Use whatever you want if it's going to get messy anyway.

A horribly over-simplified overview:
Telescopes/MBV/Medicine. Heck, shoot me if some songs actually sound like there are actually guitars being played, with stuff all fuzzed, mangled, re-sampled, and pooped through a massive digital reverb tank.
Lush/Cocteau Twins/Moose/Slowdive/Chapterhouse. Bring along your chorus pedal and EQ things bright, and blow out some eardrums when performing live.
Boo Radleys/Pale Saints/Ride/Kitchens of Distinction: Hooray for Hugh Jones-esque production and studio trickery!

...And so many of the above had "samey" moments as well, so it's even more ambiguous. I personally prefer the Jazzmaster for the 25.5" scale and tonal "snap" (the TOM bridge helps a lot too), because I used long feedback delays to get my noise while strumming really hard instead of doing the whole reverb thing (everyone and their RV-3 ad nauseum these days, anyone?) or feeding a wash into pedals a la the Halstead/Goswell and Shields/Butcher combos, and also because I want to really jangle sometimes with sparkling cleans to contrast blistering gainy tones.

kypdurron · Post by **kypdurron** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:48 am

I always prefer the Jazzmaster because the sound is smoother and more rounded. This basically goes for all genres

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:13 am

ultratwin wrote:they were using every guitar imaginable...Gibsons, Fenders, Humbuckers, and singles, Firebirds and Teles, Jags and Jazzos. Use whatever you want if it's going to get messy anyway.

I think Ride's sound improved (from a shoegazey point of view) when they started using Rickenbacker.

Good post Ultra. I think the best starting block here is a guitar that can produce loud cleans, like you say, from there on in its gonna get messy..

What do you prefer for shoegaze Jag or Jazz?

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