Modtone pedals are really Belcat pedals or vice versa.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:19 pm

been looking at some of the modtone range of pedals, there booster and dyno drive pedals sound really good. though there a tad expensive over here.

a quick look around and apparently a lot of their range is available in the cheapo belcat range you can get from cash generator etc.

which lead me to this
http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Ba ... -Pedal/B70

which is apparently this
http://www.modtone-effects.com/Dyno-Dri ... bf41d.html

via
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/modtone/mtod

basically, do you reckon it's worth giving the belcat a punt instead of the modtone if it's the same pedal?

Post by **Mike** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:21 pm

They have shit bypass as the effect is always hanging off the input regardless of whether the pedal is on or off. Goodbye treble definition, hello wool.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:25 pm

so the modtone will have the same bypass. bugger. liked the sound of that pedal. suppose i could stick it in my bypass loop

Post by **Mike** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:32 pm

I think the Modtones are true bypass, but the cheapo ones are not.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:39 pm

http://www.modtone-effects.com/Tell-Us- ... &Sort=Date

the dyno drive is split bypass like the belcat. some of their line is buffered, some true bypass and the rest split. dam foiled plans.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:06 pm

They claim it's true bypass here.

http://www.modtone-effects.com/Dyno-Dri ... bf41d.html

Basically I wouldn't trust them at all.

The ModTone MT-OD Dyno Drive is a true bypass boutique style overdrive pedal...

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:20 pm

Do we know that the buffers in these pedals sound bad?

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:22 pm

i can't find much about what they sound like bypassed. though kinda put off by mike's findings. shame as ii could of picked up 3-4 belcat versions for the price of one modtone version.

Ro S · Post by **Ro S** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:23 pm

Ah, I thought the new Belcats and the Modtones looked similar.

Does anyone know whether the new Belcats are the same circuits as the older ones in the plain cases, just with fancier graphics and knobs?

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:15 pm

I think the non modtone style belcats are different circuits. For example, the modtone/belcat chorus only has two knobs. The very cheap chorus has 3 knobs.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:20 pm

timhulio wrote:Do we know that the buffers in these pedals sound bad?

I've seen the schematic of one of the "switched ones". It's pretty much the laziest crap you can do. Switch the output and the LED with a DPDT, no buffer on the input.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:47 am

Right, old thread but i'd thought i'd dig it up. i order one of these from gear 4 music and it arrived today.

needed a cheap analog delay that i could set and forget, nothing fancy. it looks exactly like the mod tone version but with cheaper graphics. according to the base plate it's true bypass, though the gear 4 site said it was buffered. either way, after plugging in and chucking in my bypass loop i can't here much signal loss. nothing compared to say a crybaby or something. the delay sounds really good, quite surprised. lo-fi sounding and gets a little bit grimy with longer settings, but very nice sounding. no noise whilst on or bypassed and works really well in front of my amps drive channel. at Â£20 it's not gonna beat a DD-3 or AD-9. but i'd say it's worth getting if you use delay once in a while. perfect slapback sounds and you can get your edge sounds too.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:51 am

Progrockabuse wrote:nothing compared to say a crybaby or something.

World's faintest praise is faint.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:58 am

what?

George · Post by **George** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:00 am

Good call on the "don't use delay that often" recommendation. It's something I'd use once in a blue moon so this appeals to me. Any chance of an demo?

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:08 am

Progrockabuse wrote:what?

Crybaby has about the worst bypass ever, young Robespierre.

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:27 am

i thought it was. i was getting defensive for some reason.

i can remember sticking my crybabys in loops and thinking, that's where my top end went.

after clicking back and forth for a while, i can't tell any difference in signal, so thats a plus. it's really really good, just playing floyd's echoes with it on, proper nice sounding.
i'll try and do an audio demo at some point, before and after dirt. it's doesn't self oscillate, so not one for the noise makers, but worth a punt george.

euan · Post by **euan** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:34 am

Is it the same as the Artec pedals?

Progrockabuse · Post by **Progrockabuse** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:43 am

don't think so. disco freq website lists the copies.
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/belcat/500/dly503

NickS · Post by **NickS** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:02 pm

Interesting - is the maximum delay 350 ms?
FYI, Rockburn pedals are the same size/colour/smell as Belcat 300 series (see the belcat.com website).