Ebay - $10 CompStang reissue

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:25 pm

yeah, i don't really see what all the fuss is about. $1100+ for a guitar you simply can't get here?

people have paid more for guitars they can go pick up off the shelf. if this is the exact guitar you're after, it's coming close to your only option.

jim93 · Post by **jim93** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:20 am

UlricvonCatalyst wrote:
jim93 wrote:reported, that is absurd and violates fee structure. Its unfair that ive had to pay fees and this seller is clearly trying to avoid doing so.
eBay thank you for policing their site for policy breaches. How much did you get paid by them for your conscientious work? That's a rhetorical question, btw - I already know the answer.

Ive sold stuff on ebay and have had to pay fees on the stuff Ive sold so its unfair since the other 98% sellers pay fees

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:42 am

jim93 wrote:
UlricvonCatalyst wrote:
jim93 wrote:reported, that is absurd and violates fee structure. Its unfair that ive had to pay fees and this seller is clearly trying to avoid doing so.
eBay thank you for policing their site for policy breaches. How much did you get paid by them for your conscientious work? That's a rhetorical question, btw - I already know the answer.
Ive sold stuff on ebay and have had to pay fees on the stuff Ive sold so its unfair since the other 98% sellers pay fees

I'm in the same boat, but the difference is I have no interest in policing eBay for them so they can increase their profits. People like you and me have made them rich enough already.

George · Post by **George** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:55 am

It could be geared towards customs and duty avoidance. But then you're insured for like $10 which is insane.

As for reporting them, I wouldn't be compelled to myself but I agree with jim93. This isn't about sticking it to the man in the form of eBay, they offer a solid and reliable platform that can actually intervene in disputes and protect/buyer seller rights unlike Craiglist and whatever else. Expensive: yes, but it works.

What makes eBay safe to use and reliable are the very users themselves. If people tossing about with ridiculous pricing like this becomes normal it will undermine the platform and ruin it - and I like it how it is. It also reaks of the work of a dodgy and dishonest seller which should be policed for the benefit of other buyers.

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:29 am

I agree to a certain extent that this is a dodgy seller practice, but I can completely understand why sellers choose to go down that road.

The biggest problem is that eBay is all for the buyer, but it's the sellers who make them their profits. Obviously that's going to cause some sellers to try to bypass their fee structures. As stated before, PayPal buyer protection is there as a safeguard and the evidence is overwhelming that PayPal always finds in favour of the buyer where there's a dispute (though they don't have a 100% success rate in recovering the money the buyer sent, which is a whole other can o'worms).

I think buyers have to accept some responsibility in deciding whether they want to risk sending a ton of money to a seller who's clearly guilty of fee avoidance (not actually a crime in the real world), and personally I'd take each case on its own merits, based on the seller's feedback and my own best guess of what might go wrong.

The fact that a seller is avoiding eBay's charges definitely wouldn't be a deal-breaker if I was confident I'd get the item I wanted at a total price I was happy to pay, whatever way the total price breaks down, and I wouldn't assume that every seller who wants to save themselves upwards of $100 in eBay fees so they can price their items low enough to get your business is necessarily untrustworthy.

George · Post by **George** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:43 am

What if you wanted a refund after buying this guitar and you got $10 from them? What if it never arrives or it's damaged and you're insured for $10? As far as I am aware seller is not legally bound to refund postage in all situations.

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:08 pm

GeorgeF wrote:What if you wanted a refund after buying this guitar and you got $10 from them? What if it never arrives or it's damaged and you're insured for $10?

Just to be clear: I wouldn't buy the Mustang in question from the seller in question, however....in a hypothetical case, if you were to open a dispute via PayPal for non-delivery they would freeze the total amount you sent the seller then the seller would have to provide proof in the form of a tracking number where the details can be confirmed online. If they couldn't show that the item had been delivered - case closed, money refunded to the buyer.

That's a real double-edged sword because on the one hand, it allows dishonest buyers who have twigged that an honest seller didn't send their item by a trackable service to initiate disputes by claiming non-arrival of items which actually did arrive and on the other hand, if a dishonest seller has already emptied their PayPal account into their linked current account all that happens is their PayPal account now has a negative balance.

As for your other point regarding damage in transit: personally I wouldn't buy a guitar from the other side of the world that wasn't insured for its full value (least of all from an eBay seller with zero feedback). Others would and do. Sometimes it works out fine, sometimes it goes horribly wrong.

GeorgeF wrote:As far as I am aware seller is not legally bound to refund postage in all situations.

Distance selling regulations state that new goods still in their original condition can be returned at the buyer's expense for a refund within a reasonable time and the seller must return the buyer's shipping costs.

jim93 · Post by **jim93** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:03 pm

GeorgeF wrote:It could be geared towards customs and duty avoidance. But then you're insured for like $10 which is insane.

As for reporting them, I wouldn't be compelled to myself but I agree with jim93. This isn't about sticking it to the man in the form of eBay, they offer a solid and reliable platform that can actually intervene in disputes and protect/buyer seller rights unlike Craiglist and whatever else. Expensive: yes, but it works.

What makes eBay safe to use and reliable are the very users themselves. If people tossing about with ridiculous pricing like this becomes normal it will undermine the platform and ruin it - and I like it how it is. It also reaks of the work of a dodgy and dishonest seller which should be policed for the benefit of other buyers.

seconded,
Its clearly not about sticking it to the man but more about personal profit. You may not think its important to report it but if no one does eventually eBay will be quick to raise the fee structure to get the amount of profit they need as a publicly traded company and Im sure given the level of offense ebay seems to have done to you, I imagine those structuring this completely as dodgy sellers against the man will be the first to whine.

eBay will make a profit whether it be fairly across all sellers or on the backs of sellers who arent being dodgy.

jim93 · Post by **jim93** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:09 pm

UlricvonCatalyst wrote:
GeorgeF wrote:What if you wanted a refund after buying this guitar and you got $10 from them? What if it never arrives or it's damaged and you're insured for $10?
Just to be clear: I wouldn't buy the Mustang in question from the seller in question, however....in a hypothetical case, if you were to open a dispute via PayPal for non-delivery they would freeze the total amount you sent the seller then the seller would have to provide proof in the form of a tracking number where the details can be confirmed online. If they couldn't show that the item had been delivered - case closed, money refunded to the buyer.

That's a real double-edged sword because on the one hand, it allows dishonest buyers who have twigged that an honest seller didn't send their item by a trackable service to initiate disputes by claiming non-arrival of items which actually did arrive and on the other hand, if a dishonest seller has already emptied their PayPal account into their linked current account all that happens is their PayPal account now has a negative balance.

As for your other point regarding damage in transit: personally I wouldn't buy a guitar from the other side of the world that wasn't insured for its full value (least of all from an eBay seller with zero feedback). Others would and do. Sometimes it works out fine, sometimes it goes horribly wrong.
GeorgeF wrote:As far as I am aware seller is not legally bound to refund postage in all situations.
Distance selling regulations state that new goods still in their original condition can be returned at the buyer's expense for a refund within a reasonable time and the seller must return the buyer's shipping costs.

Distance selling regulations might not be applicable in the buyers country.
If you pay with a credit card you could you get your money back but I wouldnt do anything with the possibility of going weeks/months with my money on hold nor would I consider a reasonable way of doing business.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:30 pm

A '65 RI is $939 new. A Japan-only Compstang is easily worth the $1100 price tag IMO.

Joey · Post by **Joey** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:50 pm

As stated before, PayPal buyer protection is there as a safeguard and the evidence is overwhelming that PayPal always finds in favour of the buyer where there's a dispute (though they don't have a 100% success rate in recovering the money the buyer sent, which is a whole other can o'worms).

I complained to paypal after never receiving some parts after 3 weeks. Paypal called the seller while I was on the phone, the seller didn't answer the phone. Before I hung up the phone paypal refunded my money.

Before paypal, it was impossible to get your money back through ebay.

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:10 am

jim93 wrote:Its clearly not about sticking it to the man but more about personal profit. You may not think its important to report it but if no one does eventually eBay will be quick to raise the fee structure to get the amount of profit they need as a publicly traded company and Im sure given the level of offense ebay seems to have done to you, I imagine those structuring this completely as dodgy sellers against the man will be the first to whine.

eBay will make a profit whether it be fairly across all sellers or on the backs of sellers who arent being dodgy.

Offended? Sticking it to the man? Now you're putting someone else's words in my mouth (as well as trying to project your thoughts into my head).

My feeling is that eBay doesn't really care that much about fee avoidance as they have all bases covered; if they lose a little on final value fees they'll still do well enough from PayPal transaction fees.

I don't begrudge eBay making money from the business I've put their way over the years, but as I've been doing it for a loooong time now and have kept a keen eye on the ins and outs of their business I've noticed them going ever-further down a road which capitalists often take, where the more profit they make the greedier they become. And - just to be clear - I'm not using 'greedy' in a judgemental way; I mean greedy in the same way as a junkie is greedy for more and more of the junk they believe they need to sustain them.

The internutz being what it is I can envisage eBay being superseded fairly soon by some other 'online venue' with better terms for sellers - just look at how washed up the previously all-conquering MySpace is fast becoming if you need it spelled out for you - and as soon as a viable alternative starts to eat up their market share they may well regret the cavalier attitude they've taken with the people who were in most cases fairly happy with the symbiosis they offered but became increasingly disgusted by how parasitic they became once their success soared.

jim93 · Post by **jim93** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:07 am

UlricvonCatalyst wrote:
jim93 wrote:Its clearly not about sticking it to the man but more about personal profit. You may not think its important to report it but if no one does eventually eBay will be quick to raise the fee structure to get the amount of profit they need as a publicly traded company and Im sure given the level of offense ebay seems to have done to you, I imagine those structuring this completely as dodgy sellers against the man will be the first to whine.

eBay will make a profit whether it be fairly across all sellers or on the backs of sellers who arent being dodgy.
Offended? Sticking it to the man? Now you're putting someone else's words in my mouth (as well as trying to project your thoughts into my head).
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I'm not using 'greedy' in a judgemental way; I mean greedy in the same way as a junkie is greedy for more and more of the junk they believe they need to sustain them.

Your personifying a corporation as a junkie in a non-judgmental way,yes I understand im just projecting.

astrozombie · Post by **astrozombie** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:47 am

honeyiscool wrote:A '65 RI is $939 new. A Japan-only Compstang is easily worth the $1100 price tag IMO.

+100

Lucamo · Post by **Lucamo** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:29 am

astrozombie wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:A '65 RI is $939 new. A Japan-only Compstang is easily worth the $1100 price tag IMO.
+100

+1100

I almost bought one before I bought my 69RI and my Jazzstang from Willie!

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:07 am

like two years ago the 65 RI was only like $700. the new $940 price tag is ridiculous. you can buy a vintage mustang for that much easily.

UlricvonCatalyst · Post by **UlricvonCatalyst** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:35 am

jim93 wrote:
UlricvonCatalyst wrote:
jim93 wrote:Its clearly not about sticking it to the man but more about personal profit. You may not think its important to report it but if no one does eventually eBay will be quick to raise the fee structure to get the amount of profit they need as a publicly traded company and Im sure given the level of offense ebay seems to have done to you, I imagine those structuring this completely as dodgy sellers against the man will be the first to whine.

eBay will make a profit whether it be fairly across all sellers or on the backs of sellers who arent being dodgy.
Offended? Sticking it to the man? Now you're putting someone else's words in my mouth (as well as trying to project your thoughts into my head).
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I'm not using 'greedy' in a judgemental way; I mean greedy in the same way as a junkie is greedy for more and more of the junk they believe they need to sustain them.
Your personifying a corporation as a junkie in a non-judgmental way,yes I understand im just projecting.

PM'd

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:04 pm

i love how people always throw paypal on the case, like they're going to do fuck all. paypal can suck my white ass.

George · Post by **George** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:10 pm

Your avatar makes funnies everyday

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:26 pm

glad u like, jorge.

it's from this pic:

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BITCH I LIVE IN A FUCKING TRASH CAN.