Nash Jazzmaster Tear-down and WHY NASH guitars SUCK!
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Nash Jazzmaster Tear-down and WHY NASH guitars SUCK!
I recently revamped this Nash Jazzmaster Replica for a client. It had several outstanding problems, and lack of attention to detail in terms of fit and finish, as well as the components used. Nash Guitars (by Bill Nash) is a notable name within the "relic" community and one of the few boutique builders who are legally able to get away with producing 1:1 clones of Fender trademarked guitars.
The following is a tear-down of the components and inherent problems found in this specific Bill Nash clone build.
This is the guitar before I pulled it apart. My client complained of buzzes along the neck and bridge, an unusable tremolo, an unsightly printed tortoise shell pickguard, and noisy electronics. He wanted the guitar brought back in all of it's glory and so begins the breaking down of this Jazzmaster.
De-stringing the guitar was the first step of course. Here's a close-up of the cheap import Allparts tremolo unit used. For a guitar sold for thousands, you'd expect better. The surprises continue...
Another close-up, this time of the tortoise shell pickguard. This is an example of bad printed laminate, when you look close you can see the pixels and the dotted print, which are of a print quality inferior to your average newspaper. Very disappointing indeed.
Panning even closer in, the lack of attention to detail becomes even more apparent. Rather than using proper Jazzmaster pickup height screws, Nash appears to have used some run of the mill hardware store screws, unnecessarily enlarging the mounting holes in the pickup covers, and making the adjustment of height very tight and difficult.
This post is not meant to be an outright bashing on Nash guitars, but it was very appalling to find a work this amateurish. Notice the bridge, some type of mustang bridge hybrid that had been dipped in etching solution, or some other abrasive chemical to age the parts. The saddles and screws used to mount them aren't even uniform, and appears to be the makings of a bootleg bridge put together from extras in a parts bin.
Here's a counter productive technique: taping up the bridge posts. Some type of cheap, mailing tape has been used, in hopes of fixing the bridge down, which in turn actually decreases tuning stability contrary to amateur belief. This creates slipping on the saddles, rather than helping the bridge rock back and forth as it was designed. Additionally, this technique does away with some of brilliant subtleties associated with a properly setup jazzmaster/mustang bridge.
More appalling discoveries. You'd think a boutique builder would at least TRY to make efforts to make a vintage correct and quality build. Here you find decent Seymour Duncan "Vintage" Jazzmaster pickups. While they do the job, it must be noted that they are also the cheapest of Duncan's line. Additionally, look at the foam used??? What is that?? It looks like someone just ripped a chunk off of some insulation foam, with no care in making it look neat, or even raise the pickup evenly. No wonder the height was so hard to adjust! tsk tsk tsk...
Pickguard off. No shielding whatsoever! Anyone who knows anything about anything, regarding Jazzmasters, or single-coil guitars for that matter, knows that for a job to be well done, the body needs to be shielded, and all electronics must be grounded to that shielding. Also, I'm only going to assume, that the reason the inside of the body's paint is broken away, and unfinished is because it keeps in tune with the "relic" theme.
Another close up of the body routes. Dirty and unfinished prior to spraying. It takes but 10 minutes to clean those unsightly shreds off with some sandpaper! Nash guitars found it to be not worth their time. Please note, even the cheapest squier and epiphone guitars have clean routes. Seems like Nash just got this from allparts, took it out of the box and started spraying.
Probably the best part of this guitar, is it's neck, which is not surprisingly allparts. I've used allparts necks on builds and they are fantastic. No wonder my client decided to keep this guitar over his other jazzmasters. While the neck "wear" is incredibly fake, and overdone, it does feel nice, and does a decent emulation of the way vintage wear feels. Still, for guitars that have heftier price tags than genuine Fender Vintage Reissues, you'd think Nash guitars would calculate the sum of the parts used into their asking price. Also look at the fake 'L' serial plate.
A close look at the neck pocket: an unsubstantial veneer shim. This is a poor attempt to get a proper neck angle, and too thin to be at all effective. Vintage fenders used thicker plastic shims which were placed in the inner most part of the neck pocket (towards the pickups). they did not overlap the neck mounting holes as they are featured here. American vintage reissue offsets also use more significant shims, in the form of three stacked pieces of cardboard, also placed in the innermost part of the pocket. I also discover that another piece of veneer was glued into the side of the neck pocket to correct a poor neck fit. This looks more like an amateur parts build than one made by a respected builder.
This turned out to be the most disappointing and problematic aspect of getting this guitar to be fully functional. This sloppy job of a tremolo route was done, I assume, in hopes that the tremolo's movable plate would not catch on the edges. However, you can see that the routing bit used wasn't even deep enough to complete the job. I don't generally offer routing as a service at this time, so hand filing this thing was a huge obstacle. In this state, any tremolo installed, especially the AVRI one my client wanted, was severely catching the edges, making it completely unusable, and also unstable. PLUS, what was that spring doing in there???
I used the trem route from an AVRI Jazzmaster for reference, making a tracing and then overlaying it on the Nash guitar. As my client wanted to replace the cheap trem with a US reissue one, this was the best way to go. See how the edges come up so much closer to the mounting holes? And also how the back edge is flat/square at the edges rather than rounded?
Using files and high grit sandpaper, I reshaped the route. Turned out to take WAY longer than I had anticipated. But I don't stop until the job's done, and done well I also rewired the ground from the lead control cavity, to not include the pesky cloth covering that it originally had, which was also getting in the way of the tremolo's free movement.
I also added a necessary grounding wire to the bridge thimble. Why this was absent from it to begin with...I don't know. As a rule of thumb, I think builders should know the nuances and details of a particular model, before deciding they are going to make and sell them.
My client wanted to go for the Johnny Marr "white-on-white" look, so after fixing all of Nash's mistakes, I installed a Mint Green AVRI pickguard, which required filling some of the allparts guards mounting holes. It definitely is a vast improvement over the ugly printed allparts tort. I also replaced the junk parts bridge, with a proper American Vintage Reissue Jazzmaster bridge.
And here it is all finished! (Please excuse the clarity of the pics. a proper camera was not available at the time the work was done.
Work done:
Hardware Replacement/installation: AVRI Mint Green Pickguard, AVRI Jazzmaster bridge, AVRI Tremolo and added more substantial custom cut foam pieces for better and more balanced pickup height adjustability.
Setup: .011 gauge "Bullet" strings, Tremolo/Spring Tension, Truss rod Adjustment, Bridge/Saddle Height/Radius, 3 cardboard shims in the neck pocket, Graphite on saddles & nut slots, Polished & Buffed.
Electronics: Fixed faulty wiring & grounding. Contact cleaned potentiometers and switches.
Routing/Reshaping: Filed/Sanded Tremolo Route to accept American Vintage Reissue Jazzmaster Tremolo Unit.
From the customer:
"Dude, been playing the new and improved jazzmaster all morning - it feels really terrific. Could not be happier with your work. Thanks again!" - Patrick
Last edited by mtotallywired on Mon May 16, 2011 1:38 am, edited 2 times in total.
"if it has more than three chords, its jazz." lou reed
Great post.
I can't believe how bad some of that work is.
The bridge is a warmoth one. Thay made an adjustable Mustang one where you set the height of the D and G strings the way you would set a normal Mustang bridge and then you can bring up the other strings to match the fretboard radius. I think now they make them with all six saddles adjustable.
I can't believe how bad some of that work is.
The bridge is a warmoth one. Thay made an adjustable Mustang one where you set the height of the D and G strings the way you would set a normal Mustang bridge and then you can bring up the other strings to match the fretboard radius. I think now they make them with all six saddles adjustable.
Shabba.
Holy Hell!
The end result looks pretty nice, good work.
Your break down made me mildly queasy as you went through all the garbage that was involved in the original construction... goddamn that was terrible. I expect better work from SX and Rondo.
The end result looks pretty nice, good work.
Your break down made me mildly queasy as you went through all the garbage that was involved in the original construction... goddamn that was terrible. I expect better work from SX and Rondo.
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I can't believe they're made with allparts stuff! I'm not ragging on allparts quality, as I've always heard good things about their necks and bodies, but for a boutique guitar builder to charge thousands for something that they just put together poorly?!?! That's ridiculous!
Also judging by how much sanding it looks like they did on the back of the neck and the body forearm contour, you'd think they'd be able to sand off the crappy fuzzies from the route job!
Also judging by how much sanding it looks like they did on the back of the neck and the body forearm contour, you'd think they'd be able to sand off the crappy fuzzies from the route job!
Re: Nash Jazzmaster Tear-down and WHY NASH guitars SUCK!
Great post, really informative and interesting. I think you nailed it with the above quote: while most people can set up a tele or a strat (the latter arguably a trickier beast to get playing nicely than a Jazzmaster), they tend to balk at anything Jazz or Jag shaped, and the setups tend to be horrific. This is a shame, since Jag/JM setups are comparatively easy.mtotallywired wrote:As a rule of thumb, I think builders should know the nuances and details of a particular model, before deciding they are going to make and sell them.
Re: Nash Jazzmaster Tear-down and WHY NASH guitars SUCK!
Nashguitars wrote:We will not ship a guitar or bass that we ourselves would not want to own or play.
Can still make an effort though?Nashguitars wrote:Nash is not a luthier and these guitars are just assembled from parts.
I bodge stuff, but at least I'm not selling to the public.
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all in all, it was definitely a shocker. I feel bad now for people who own one. a nash offset at least. or maybe this was a fluke. maybe this is nash on an off day? it's still no excuse.
Someone over at offset tried to ask if this could just be a nash neck on some other persons body. I'm going to go ahead and give that a 100% no. There's a store here in brooklyn that I frequent that carries plenty of nash guitars. This is TRADEMARK nash...I have no doubts in my mind.
Someone over at offset tried to ask if this could just be a nash neck on some other persons body. I'm going to go ahead and give that a 100% no. There's a store here in brooklyn that I frequent that carries plenty of nash guitars. This is TRADEMARK nash...I have no doubts in my mind.
"if it has more than three chords, its jazz." lou reed
I could see if they were trying to simulate a guitar that had been butchered along the way, like with the taped bridge. But FFS at least get the routs right first. It looks like they are trying to fake a Servicemens. Why not buy new and leave it in a crackhouse for a few years to shit it up?
But you see, a lot of us started out like that buyer, not noticing the difference. Not everyone pores over guitar photos with compulsive myopia. I have always been lucky enough to buy guitars that had authentic abuse and neglect.
But you see, a lot of us started out like that buyer, not noticing the difference. Not everyone pores over guitar photos with compulsive myopia. I have always been lucky enough to buy guitars that had authentic abuse and neglect.
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I saw a recent posting on your site about a Nash Jazzmaster. I feel that the writer was rather over zealous in his desire to slam us.
The funny thing is that I totally agree with much of what he says, which is why we discontinued making Jazzmasters and Jaguars in 2006. In fact, I posted this page at that time to explain:
http://www.nashguitars.com/Jazzmaster.htm
Just to clarify a few other points. Hardware is Gotoh (who makes most hardware distributed and used in the US). This particular guitar is most likely pre 2003 and at that time when we were just growing our biz, we used several suppliers for necks and bodies, including Allparts. Since then we have all bodies and necks made in the USA to our specs. The Allparts necks are excellent and I still have several Allparts necks on guitars in my own collection. The guitar shown has also had some additional work done on it after it was made, including bridge posts (the weird taping), saddles and various wiring. I also disagree with the idea that these guitars need any shielding or extra grounding. These pickups will be noisy no matter what you do.
I do feel on a personal note that the writer may have some resentment for me or my company and if there is something we did to him, I am very sorry.
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The funny thing is that I totally agree with much of what he says, which is why we discontinued making Jazzmasters and Jaguars in 2006. In fact, I posted this page at that time to explain:
http://www.nashguitars.com/Jazzmaster.htm
Just to clarify a few other points. Hardware is Gotoh (who makes most hardware distributed and used in the US). This particular guitar is most likely pre 2003 and at that time when we were just growing our biz, we used several suppliers for necks and bodies, including Allparts. Since then we have all bodies and necks made in the USA to our specs. The Allparts necks are excellent and I still have several Allparts necks on guitars in my own collection. The guitar shown has also had some additional work done on it after it was made, including bridge posts (the weird taping), saddles and various wiring. I also disagree with the idea that these guitars need any shielding or extra grounding. These pickups will be noisy no matter what you do.
I do feel on a personal note that the writer may have some resentment for me or my company and if there is something we did to him, I am very sorry.
BN
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I'm just going to throw out there that discontinuing Jazzmasters and Jaguars is BS.
those guitars are damn good guitars and can we set up as well as any other guitar out there. Also, shielding will do wonders to quiet pickups; will it totally make them hum free, of course not, but to say it doesn't help it ridiculous. Just go ahead and say that for the time and effort it takes, it's not worth it in a business sense. Will it take 30-60 minutes (being generous) to shield a a guitar, yes. Will a lot of people notice, probably not. So why way someone $25 bucks worth of labor to do it?
It's a cost cutting technique, and I'm okay with that, because it's easy and any one who cares enough will do it themselves, but be up front about your reasons.
those guitars are damn good guitars and can we set up as well as any other guitar out there. Also, shielding will do wonders to quiet pickups; will it totally make them hum free, of course not, but to say it doesn't help it ridiculous. Just go ahead and say that for the time and effort it takes, it's not worth it in a business sense. Will it take 30-60 minutes (being generous) to shield a a guitar, yes. Will a lot of people notice, probably not. So why way someone $25 bucks worth of labor to do it?
It's a cost cutting technique, and I'm okay with that, because it's easy and any one who cares enough will do it themselves, but be up front about your reasons.
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It's an Aftermarket parts guitar, half of the complaints are about the cheapness of aftermarket parts which a lot of other people have used, including people on here. Also if he did make this in 2003 most of those parts were the only thing available besides official and vintage Fender parts and maybe he can't use those?
I think the guitar does look sloppy but isn't that how it's assembled/painted to replicate? Did it buzz because of the trem route? Almost every single AVRI Jaguar and Jazzmaster I have played had noticeable buzz. People say well that's down to the set-up, so why does Fender not set them up properly to begin with?
I think the guitar does look sloppy but isn't that how it's assembled/painted to replicate? Did it buzz because of the trem route? Almost every single AVRI Jaguar and Jazzmaster I have played had noticeable buzz. People say well that's down to the set-up, so why does Fender not set them up properly to begin with?
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the same reason why a lot of guitars don't play well out of the box; that stuff takes time and more importantly, a machine can only do a so-so job. If a decent set-up takes an hour, they're not going to pay their tech $30 dollars or whatever he makes in that time, to do it properly. That would come straight out of the profit.