Daphon Wah

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:32 am

An Analog Modeling Synthesizer is a synthesizer that generates the sounds of traditional analog synthesizers using DSP components and software algorithms to simulate the behaviour of the original electric and electronic circuitry, in order to obtain the sound in a more precise manner from the simulated inner working of the circuitry, instead of attempting to recreate the sound directly. This method of synthesis is also referred to as Virtual Analog or VA. There is a vague consensus that while VAs can be useful and expressive instruments in their own right, they are not always a full replacement for real analog synthesizers; on the other hand, they exceed many analog instruments in reliability, lack of tuning and heating issues, limited polyphony, and they offer patch storage capabilities and MIDI support not found on all ancient (pre-1983) analog instruments.

Examples of VA synthesizers include:
Access Virus line of VA synths
Alesis Ion, Micron and Fusion
Clavia Nord Lead and Nord Modular series
Korg Z1, Prophecy, MS-2000, microKORG, RADIAS, R3
Kurzweil PC3X
Novation Supernova, Supernova II, Nova, A-Station, K-Station, X-Station, XioSynth, Ultranova
Oberheim OB12
Roland JP-8000, JP-8080, V-Synth, SH-201 (Gaia)
Waldorf Q, Q+ and MicroQ
Yamaha AN1x

Thats the Wikpedia. page. don't blame me. I think MIDI is a massive benefit to modern keyboard workstations over the analog synths

George · Post by **George** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:03 am

poorhillbilly wrote:
George wrote:I don't know what I can't wait for more: finding out poorhillbilly is actually a 15 year old who lives with his mum and dad; or, perhaps even funnier, that he isn't.
What do you actually do here. do you have any gear? what are you? you seem to spend alot of time in the pub. fair enough. I don't anything about the Daphon Wah. Its not something you exactly go into a shop and ask ''what do you think of this product?'' they'll go "What, ahhh we can order it in for you?'' I'm just trying to seek some sort of higher meaning and understanding about this product, obviously I won't be finiding it from you.

Ironylolz. You stuck a Wigsby on a CP Jag (whoopdeefuckingdoo), posted about a shit wah pedal, and the rest of the time you have relentlessly trolled the pub. Every thread you've been involved in has ended in drama (your drama) with some even being locked.

Back to the wah: You're missing a verb between "I don't anything about the Daphon Wah" which I'll assume is "know", any yet you've defended this pedal to the hilt against any criticism and other people's experience as if they're stupid, without knowing anything (by your own admission) about it - and then you managed to pull another argument about analog synths out of the fucking ether. Do you know what advice means? I would suggest trying the wah pedal out rather than just asking the clerk what he thinks, if you're inexeperienced with how music shops work. But I don't even own a guitar so I wouldn't know.

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:37 am

relentlessly trolled the pub? hahah ok I'll take you word for it. I have barely used this forum. let alone the ''Shortscale Pub". you seem to know who I am.

No, noones had any experience with this pedal. No , you can only buy this pedal from ebay, where I live anyway.

I'm gonna buy this pedal and see what it does and if I like i'll say what I think, and if its shit. no big deal only $25.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:57 am

Sorry PHB just need to talk about you and that, don't mean to pretend like you're not in the room listening but I'm sure you'll understand.

George: I think the wigsby REALLY suits the lines of the blacktop in all fairness, better than a bigsby IMHO, and I'd consider a similar mod in the future for sure so i can't knock him for that at all. That aside all your comments are on the ball but I rather enjoy Poorhillbillys posts for entertainment value alone - he's nailed that kind of batty delusion that I find rather endearing, unlike previous trolls such as MMPicker(?) and JoanJettFan who were just nasty through and through.

I love the fact this thread asked for opinions about a wah he's had no experience about but when opinions are given rebuffs them for being wrong....It's like surreal genius at work. If he's happy to be forum whipping boy I'm all for it. Never miss an opportunity to lampoon someone. I salute you PHB: Of course that being said it would be great if you contribute 'proper' stuff too as well or folks will become tired of the constant back-and-forth.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:01 am

poorhillbilly wrote:I'm gonna buy this pedal and see what it does and if I like i'll say what I think, and if its shit. no big deal only $25.

Good call - do post your findings

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:08 am

Thanks. I don't dislike you guys at all. I have a bit of gear, but I'm going to expand and get some new stuff this year.

Its just bizarre to hear criticism of something when someone actually hasn't tried to product out at all. Just making assumptions about something based on its value, or whether or not its ''as good as this pedal which is 2x-- than this, so it must be better'' mentality. all the past assumptions i've made are usually based around because i like to keep upto date with economics and industry, given the date and location of where something is manufactured is usally a good way to whether its quality and worth spending money investing in.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:17 am

poorhillbilly wrote:Its just bizarre to hear criticism of something when someone actually hasn't tried to product out at all. Just making assumptions about something based on its value, or whether or not its ''as good as this pedal which is 2x-- than this, so it must be better'' mentality. all the past assumptions i've made are usually based around because i like to keep upto date with economics and industry, given the date and location of where something is manufactured is usally a good way to whether its quality and worth spending money investing in.

You have a point however it's also a fair bet that folks have experience of similar things - The daphon Wah is probably fine but unless its good metal components there's always a chance it'll cop out like anything else that has moving parts. The suggestion to get a wah with a known reputation for robustness, at a second hand price, is not stupid advice if you think about it. However if you want to give the Daphon a shot I'm sure we'd all be interested to get a first hand report on it.

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:44 am

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But i have found this^^

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:43 am

just bought it`!

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:51 am

Good jorb PHB - look forward to hearing your report!

plaidbeer · Post by **plaidbeer** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:51 pm

poorhillbilly wrote:An Analog Modeling Synthesizer is a synthesizer that generates the sounds of traditional analog synthesizers using DSP components and software algorithms to simulate the behaviour of the original electric and electronic circuitry, in order to obtain the sound in a more precise manner from the simulated inner working of the circuitry, instead of attempting to recreate the sound directly. This method of synthesis is also referred to as Virtual Analog or VA. There is a vague consensus that while VAs can be useful and expressive instruments in their own right, they are not always a full replacement for real analog synthesizers; on the other hand, they exceed many analog instruments in reliability, lack of tuning and heating issues, limited polyphony, and they offer patch storage capabilities and MIDI support not found on all ancient (pre-1983) analog instruments.

Examples of VA synthesizers include:
Access Virus line of VA synths
Alesis Ion, Micron and Fusion
Clavia Nord Lead and Nord Modular series
Korg Z1, Prophecy, MS-2000, microKORG, RADIAS, R3
Kurzweil PC3X
Novation Supernova, Supernova II, Nova, A-Station, K-Station, X-Station, XioSynth, Ultranova
Oberheim OB12
Roland JP-8000, JP-8080, V-Synth, SH-201 (Gaia)
Waldorf Q, Q+ and MicroQ
Yamaha AN1x

Thats the Wikpedia. page. don't blame me. I think MIDI is a massive benefit to modern keyboard workstations over the analog synths

Well, I guess if it's from Wikipedia, it must all be true.

There's a mix of fact and opinion in that summary. There are some statements made in there that are simply wrong. Some VAs like the microKorg, MS2000, and stock original NordLead only had 4-note polyphony. Many of the polyphonic analogs had at least that much, if not not more. And I never had any analog synth that had "heating" issues. That article implies that analogs often suffered reliability issues.

And your statement about MIDI being a benefit over analog synths is ridiculous when there were several analog synths still being made during the MIDI era. Not only that, but you can buy MIDI retrofits for nearly any analog synth.

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:18 pm

I respect your tenacity. what do you think of the Gaia? what are your thoughts on it?

plaidbeer · Post by **plaidbeer** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:17 pm

poorhillbilly wrote:I respect your tenacity. what do you think of the Gaia? what are your thoughts on it?

I only played around on one for a few minutes right after it hit the stores last year. My initial impressions of it were positive. I thought it was fun to play, sounded decent, easy to tweak, and I liked the combination of portability and full-sized keys.

A lot of synth forum people got their pants in a bunch about certain elements of it without even giving it a chance. They were mad because it wasn't "authentic" enough for them in some ways and were already pissed off at Roland for using the Juno name and visual aesthetic for their current entry-level romplers (which I also think are pretty good--had a Juno-G a couple of years ago). There are a lot of amber-tip-switch types on synth forums and it's one of the reason I stopped participating on them altogether.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:05 pm

poorhillbilly wrote:
plaidbeer wrote:
poorhillbilly wrote:The Gaia has THREE Analog Synthesizers. aided with digital oscillators.

Its has MIDI and battery power. Its a reworking of classic Analogs like the Juno 06 which had Digital oscillators.
This isn't accurate. It's not analog in any way. It's completely software-based modelling. These virtual analogs are essentially soft synths in fancy, easy-to-use packaging. There's nothing wrong with that (I loved my Blofeld, MS2000, and AN1x) but that's what they are. They're not actual analog synths.
As I said its the closest new product by Roland to replicate their Analog Synthesizers with digital oscillators like the Juno 06, and especially the Juno 106 which had midi. Virtual analog is designed to replicate Analog synths without the added hassles of tuning and and overheating. its probably better in many ways.

for the record, juno 106s don't overheat or have tuning issues.

Billy3000 · Post by **Billy3000** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:41 pm

I've learned a lot from this thread.

all pedals are the same, build quality is not important, so I should only buy cheap foreign pedals instead of boutique stuff, or higher quality big brand things.

Adding sliders to digital synths makes them analog.

A+ thread. would read again.

Billy3000 · Post by **Billy3000** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:44 pm

On a serious note though. I sold my Vox V847 wah about a year ago for $50, as that's what used ones were selling for on ebay. That was a nice, good quality, well respected wah pedal. Why buy a cheap wah of questionable quality that you can't find much information about when you can spend about $20 more on one that you know will be a nice wah pedal?

gaybear · Post by **gaybear** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:35 pm

Billy3000 wrote:I've learned a lot from this thread.

all pedals are the same, build quality is not important, so I should only buy cheap foreign pedals instead of boutique stuff, or higher quality big brand things.

Adding sliders to digital synths makes them analog.

A+ thread. would read again.

hahaha, apt pupil!

plaidbeer · Post by **plaidbeer** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:16 pm

I feel like such a nerd for getting into a synth debate.

poorhillbilly · Post by **poorhillbilly** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:28 am

Its an virtual analog synth debate. its absolutely brilliant.

this roland juno 06 blows my mind. the sound.

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SGJarrod · Post by **SGJarrod** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:37 am

you could play the Scarface soundtrack with that B!