Decided on my first Offset/Shortscale (New issue arises)

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Decided on my first Offset/Shortscale (New issue arises)

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They don't have them in the shops over here, but after researching a bit and listening to clips, I believe I'll be getting one of these:

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^ But now I need to find one I can afford second hand. There's the HH model, which is a nice alternative but I'm not sure I'd like it as much, even if it has cool features. In terms of what I'd need to change, I could live with that guitar Stock(though I'll probably be changing the Rhythm section to a "Humbucking" section, if you get me, in series, presumably a minor mod though). The HH I may be able to too, but it seems more likely I'll have to change the pickups - the pickups on the SS are great.

I'm going nuts checking various "For Sale" sites looking for one... can't wait until this is finally over and I have my new guitar, haha. Anyone else gone through this? It sucks being poor and wanting a decent guitar, I guess.

I'm still open to being talked out of it, if I've made the wrong decision. I could post what music I'm interested, etc. to make sure it's the right choice for me. Basically I like a lot your "alternative" type stuff, and play guitar over electronic music mostly, so I need something that can sound interesting and versatile. I also need something ballsy enough to do high gain now and again, for industrial type tones, which is why I chose the the CP over the CIJ, I also believe it's slightly lighter. I like to have more texture to my mid gain tones especially, which is why I'm looking at offsets in the first place, Strats and especially HB based guitars sound too "straight forward" for the most part.

I'm chosing a Shortscale as I often play things that require me to jump around the fretboard and I have a bad wrist which doesn't agree with it, and I have a habit of doing Andy Summers chords too. I'm chosing a Jag over a Jazzmaster as there was no one Jazzmaster model that fully pleased me. The CP Jazzmaster was close, but it did sound a bit duller on cleans when I listened back to it, compared to a real Jazzmaster, or the CP Jag. I'm chosing the Jaguar over the Mustang as I like the aesthetics more, and the extra (potential for modding) tonal options. I'm also chosing the CP in specific as I'm not good at dicking around with modding, and the reason I'm getting a new guitar is partly to get a reliable one, which seems to be what a sufficiently modded Offset can be, and these are essentially "Sufficiently modded".

I tend to like the scratchy tone of a Jag. One of my favourite bands is Mass of the Fermenting Dregs, who use a Jaguar mostly. It is the Japanese one, I'm unsure if the pickups are stock of not, however with the strangle switch and the tone controls, or a bright amp, I'm sure I can approximate it. I also play a lot of goth rock, and the trad goth tone tends to work best with clangy single coils - like on a Tele or Jag. It's not too common to see a Jag in that genre though since it came before the explosion in the 90s, so it's both well suited and not overdone in that genre. I also think it'd make a good "Trip Hop" guitar if that makes any sense, since I'm doing a lot of electronic stuff. <- this sort of tone you can get with a lot of different guitars, but you need the right pedals/amp. From what i've heard, it's easier to get that sort of nasty tone on anything with a Jag(I think it's actually a JM - one being used here - If anyone knows for sure, let me know). Teles are meant to be good at it, but a lot of the time they're too "honky" for me.

I also much prefer the bridge pickup of an offset guitar to most guitars. Teles are great for lightly overdriven tones, but the upper mid spike/honk makes it sound awkward for cleans. A Strat, Jag or JM tends to be more Jangly and the offsets have more character than the Strat which can sound plainer in that position. I'm also thinking that having a lot of different switches to play with will make for a more fun guitar experience in general, combing some of what i like of both synth and guitar.

Is my reasoning correct?
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Re: Decided on my first Offset/Shortscale, but...

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Medicine Melancholy wrote: It sucks being poor and wanting a decent guitar, I guess.

go commit insurance fraud or something :twisted:

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Medicine Melancholy wrote:Anyone else gone through this? It sucks being poor and wanting a decent guitar, I guess.
Yeah... it took me about.. oh... 13 years to get my Jaguar :P Sometimes it takes patience.
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I'm still open to being talked out of it, if I've made the wrong decision. I could post what music I'm interested, etc. to make sure it's the right choice for me. Basically I like a lot your "alternative" type stuff, and play guitar over electronic music mostly, so I need something that can sound interesting and versatile. I also need something ballsy enough to do high gain now and again, for industrial type tones, which is why I chose the the CP over the CIJ, I also believe it's slightly lighter. I like to have more texture to my mid gain tones especially, which is why I'm looking at offsets in the first place, Strats and especially HB based guitars sound too "straight forward" for the most part.

I'm chosing a Shortscale as I often play things that require me to jump around the fretboard and I have a bad wrist which doesn't agree with it, and I have a habit of doing Andy Summers chords too. I'm chosing a Jag over a Jazzmaster as there was no one Jazzmaster model that fully pleased me. The CP Jazzmaster was close, but it did sound a bit duller on cleans when I listened back to it, compared to a real Jazzmaster, or the CP Jag. I'm chosing the Jaguar over the Mustang as I like the aesthetics more, and the extra (potential for modding) tonal options. I'm also chosing the CP in specific as I'm not good at dicking around with modding, and the reason I'm getting a new guitar is partly to get a reliable one, which seems to be what a sufficiently modded Offset can be, and these are essentially "Sufficiently modded".

I tend to like the scratchy tone of a Jag. One of my favourite bands is Mass of the Fermenting Dregs, who use a Jaguar mostly. It is the Japanese one, I'm unsure if the pickups are stock of not, however with the strangle switch and the tone controls, or a bright amp, I'm sure I can approximate it. I also play a lot of goth rock, and the trad goth tone tends to work best with clangy single coils - like on a Tele or Jag. It's not too common to see a Jag in that genre though since it came before the explosion in the 90s, so it's both well suited and not overdone in that genre. I also think it'd make a good "Trip Hop" guitar if that makes any sense, since I'm doing a lot of electronic stuff. <- this sort of tone you can get with a lot of different guitars, but you need the right pedals/amp. From what i've heard, it's easier to get that sort of nasty tone on anything with a Jag(I think it's actually a JM - one being used here - If anyone knows for sure, let me know). Teles are meant to be good at it, but a lot of the time they're too "honky" for me.

I also much prefer the bridge pickup of an offset guitar to most guitars. Teles are great for lightly overdriven tones, but the upper mid spike/honk makes it sound awkward for cleans. A Strat, Jag or JM tends to be more Jangly and the offsets have more character than the Strat which can sound plainer in that position. I'm also thinking that having a lot of different switches to play with will make for a more fun guitar experience in general, combing some of what i like of both synth and guitar.

Is my reasoning correct?
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Okay I think that tone is a Jazzmaster :E

JMs and Jags still sound kinda similar though right? They're both variations on the strat thing with the weird Trem making them somehow janglier. Especially the CP Jag with the "bigger" sounding pickups.
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Neat but no way I could afford that right now :) I'd love a green guitar. That's an awesome tone by the way.

By the way does anyone know the resistance/overall output of the Jag pickups? And how well does the shielding work?
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Medicine Melancholy wrote:Neat but no way I could afford that right now :) I'd love a green guitar. That's an awesome tone by the way.

By the way does anyone know the resistance/overall output of the Jag pickups? And how well does the shielding work?
pshaw... I built the whole shabang under $400.

Depends which Jag pickups. It's hard for me to say as far as shielding goes since my Jag has hot jazzmaster pickups, but I shielded it and it's pretty darned quiet (still hums, just a friendly restrained hum). Your certainly not going to hurt it by shielding.
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Medicine Melancholy wrote:Neat but no way I could afford that right now :) I'd love a green guitar. That's an awesome tone by the way.

By the way does anyone know the resistance/overall output of the Jag pickups? And how well does the shielding work?
pshaw... I built the whole shabang under $400.

Depends which Jag pickups. It's hard for me to say as far as shielding goes since my Jag has hot jazzmaster pickups, but I shielded it and it's pretty darned quiet (still hums, just a friendly restrained hum). Your certainly not going to hurt it by shielding.
How did you manage that out of interest? I've thought about putting a guitar together to save money, like you do with computers, but it hasn't seemed to have worked out that way. Plus I suck dick at soldering.
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While I'm no expert at soldering, as in all things practice makes perfect. If you say you suck and just avoid it, then you'll always suck. But if you just power through the growth period it's actually pretty easy. A good iron and quality solder make all the difference here.

I trolled the classifieds for brodeals. Once I had the neck and the body, the rest fell into place.
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I wanted a Jaguar forever. I bought a Mustang. I still wanted a Jaguar. I sold a Mustang. I bought another Mustang instead. I still wanted a Jaguar. I bought another Mustang instead. Then, I bought a blacktop Jaguar. I didn't like it, so I gave it to my friend. I then bought a Jaguar, a beautiful candy apple red Japanese one. At that point, I realized that all this time I had wanted a Jaguar and fell in love with the Mustang instead. So I sold the Jaguar, and eventually I somehow ended up selling both my Mustangs.

But anyway, the main reason I didn't care for Jaguars is that they're are not particularly ergonomic guitars. Mustangs are really the guitars that embody short scales for me. Oh well.
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honeyiscool wrote:Mustangs are really the guitars that embody short scales for me. Oh well.
I totally get this.

I force myself to play my jaguar all the time, because it just looks and sounds so bad ass. But nothing plays like my Mustang, it's just so comfortable... it's the guitar I was meant to play.
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The biggest problem I have with the Jaguar is that it just doesn't really feel like a short scale to me. It feels like I'm just playing a Jazzmaster that has been capo'd on the 1st fret, and it's heavy, too. I mean, scale wise, 24" is barely even smaller than a Gibson scale anyway, so I feel like 24" scale really accounts for just a tiny difference to feel at the end of the day. Therefore, I feel like short scales should be smaller, too, to get a small feeling guitar.

If there really was a health problem that made guitar playing painful for me, I'm not sure a Jaguar would do anything to solve that. It's bigger and heavier than a Strat, after all.
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I just bought a CP Jag single coil in sunburst. I'm anxiously awaiting its delivery. As a 6'2" 230 lb guy with stubby fingers, it's a perfect guitar for me. Mustangs look comically small on me, the Jag body looks great. I find Jags easier to play.

I think you chose well. I fell in love with Jags after listening to Echo and the Bunnymen.

You and I seem to like the same genres, industrial, trip hop, goth type stuff. I think you'll be happy with the Jag.
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I also really like ska and broadway musicals. But that's neither here nor there.
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honeyiscool wrote:The biggest problem I have with the Jaguar is that it just doesn't really feel like a short scale to me. It feels like I'm just playing a Jazzmaster that has been capo'd on the 1st fret, and it's heavy, too. I mean, scale wise, 24" is barely even smaller than a Gibson scale anyway, so I feel like 24" scale really accounts for just a tiny difference to feel at the end of the day. Therefore, I feel like short scales should be smaller, too, to get a small feeling guitar.

If there really was a health problem that made guitar playing painful for me, I'm not sure a Jaguar would do anything to solve that. It's bigger and heavier than a Strat, after all.
it's funny, but these are all reasons on the plus side for me when it comes to jags. for me it's all about the comfort factor, and my avri jag is comfortable as hell to play. i don't really want know or think about scale when i start playing. i just want it to feel right. and the body of a jag/jazz is so genius in the way that it hugs you back. LOEV IT.
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Re: Decided on my first Offset/Shortscale, but...

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SGJarrod wrote:
Medicine Melancholy wrote: It sucks being poor and wanting a decent guitar, I guess.

go commit insurance fraud or something :twisted:

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dots wrote:it's funny, but these are all reasons on the plus side for me when it comes to jags. for me it's all about the comfort factor, and my avri jag is comfortable as hell to play. i don't really want know or think about scale when i start playing. i just want it to feel right. and the body of a jag/jazz is so genius in the way that it hugs you back. LOEV IT.
I think with that body style, the 25.5" scale is almost better because you can get a brighter tone and be able to use lighter strings. If Jazzmasters came standard with 22 frets, I'd probably think about it.
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I'm not trying to troll or anything but I still think that you're better off trying some guitars to get the tone you're after rather than talking about it and asking for people's opinions. Only you know that sound in your head that you're looking for. Are there really no guitar shops near where you live? Where do you live? How about a day trip to a big city with a selection of shops.
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johnnyseven wrote:I'm not trying to troll or anything but I still think that you're better off trying some guitars to get the tone you're after rather than talking about it and asking for people's opinions. Only you know that sound in your head that you're looking for. Are there really no guitar shops near where you live? Where do you live? How about a day trip to a big city with a selection of shops.
They don't really have offsets here. All they had was a Jagmaster.

Ireland sucks dude.

I'd have to go up to Dublin and there's no guarantee they'd have a Jag there. They had a fair few JMs and the other shortscales.