honeyiscool wrote:If there really was a health problem that made guitar playing painful for me, I'm not sure a Jaguar would do anything to solve that. It's bigger and heavier than a Strat, after all.
Have to agree here.
I cant be bothered to read through everything again but if i had a problem with my shoulder? i'd be looking at something light like a Mustang 69RI or Danelectro maybe.
As for the sonic capabilities, when you say Industrial, are we talking early NIN, Ministry, etc? Something like a Boss Fuzz (Behringer Super Fuzz for cheaps) will achieve that sound and work with any pickups, in fact, probably better with single coils.
I'm thinking Collide mostly, I guess that's pretty similar. And some NIN really.
I know jags are heavy, but I find if you get a good enough strap it's not that big a deal. Keep in mind the alternative to a Jag for me is a Jazzmaster, which is pretty much the same weight.
It's still worrying for me, but I really do want a Jag. It's sort of been my dream guitar for a while now and thanks to the MIMs and CIJs occasionally going for reasonable prices, it might be a reality in some shape or form.
How near Dublin are you? It's £30 each way for a ticket from Dublin port to any place in England with a train station. It's a long journey but it would be much cheaper for you to visit Birmingham or somewhere like that, buy a guitar, spend the night in a cheap hotel and bring the guitar back the next day.
£30 from Dublin to UK
£30 back
£50 for a travelodge style place for a night, likely cheaper for a B&B
£110 total, which allows you to play the guitars in person and not pay the absolutely ridiculous Irish prices.
If they had a Jagmaster, it's actually a very good approximation of how a Jaguar feels because it has the similar body hugging body that is heavy. So if you like that, I guess...
Really, I don't know why people even wonder if guitar X is good for music Y because when was the last time you couldn't get a guitar to do something you needed it to do? Guitars are guitars, and people can barely tell the difference between a Tele and a Les Paul on a record because I never knew Jimmy Page used a Tele on half his recordings. That said, (I think) Jags look stupid with Strat pickups in it unless you get a replacement guard for it, so I guess it's worth thinking about somewhat, but somewhere between Quarter Pounders and AVRI pickups, you still have a fair bit of range.
honeyiscool wrote:Really, I don't know why people even wonder if guitar X is good for music Y because when was the last time you couldn't get a guitar to do something you needed it to do? Guitars are guitars, and people can barely tell the difference between a Tele and a Les Paul on a record because I never knew Jimmy Page used a Tele on half his recordings.
Agreed again.
The only time most guitars characteristics are obvious is when you plug straight into a valve head with medium drive. Crank the gain or use dirt boxes and a lot of them characteristics are lost.
I own 14 guitars (some very different to others) and to be quite honest, through the Line 6 Spider they all about sound the same.
James wrote:How near Dublin are you? It's £30 each way for a ticket from Dublin port to any place in England with a train station. It's a long journey but it would be much cheaper for you to visit Birmingham or somewhere like that, buy a guitar, spend the night in a cheap hotel and bring the guitar back the next day.
£30 from Dublin to UK
£30 back
£50 for a travelodge style place for a night, likely cheaper for a B&B
£110 total, which allows you to play the guitars in person and not pay the absolutely ridiculous Irish prices.
I'm not paying ridiculous Irish prices though, I'm going to pick one up second hand. I'm in Cork, so nowhere near Dublin. They may have a Jag in Music Maker as they had a bunch of JMs, a Duosonic, a Jagmaster and a Pawnshop Mustang.
Guitars are guitars, and people can barely tell the difference between a Tele and a Les Paul on a record because I never knew Jimmy Page used a Tele on half his recordings.
Guitars have a lot of overlap, but you're still going to be hard pushed get the kind of sounds I'm looking for out of a Les Paul. Also keep in mind that PAFs of that era were much more single-coil like than the humbuckers of this era. A lot of humbucking bridge pickups tend to be quite honky like a Tele too.
always wanted a jaguar. about 15 years. when I found the perfect one I had to sell 8 of my guuitars to pay for it in full. I got a 99 avri fiesta red jaguar and the shortscale family got 8 guitars
honeyiscool wrote:Guitars are guitars, and people can barely tell the difference between a Tele and a Les Paul on a record because I never knew Jimmy Page used a Tele on half his recordings.
Guitars have a lot of overlap, but you're still going to be hard pushed get the kind of sounds I'm looking for out of a Les Paul. Also keep in mind that PAFs of that era were much more single-coil like than the humbuckers of this era. A lot of humbucking bridge pickups tend to be quite honky like a Tele too.
Hearing a guitar on a recording and hearing how a guitar sounds in your hands is a totally different thing. If you can't notice that difference in your hands you're mental or something.
The tonal palette of modern rock is pretty narrow, almost all popular guitars can dial in that entire range of tones. The question is what can you make your guitar sound like when you go off the map a bit. The difference really shows up in clean tones.
I can usually tell the difference between a Tele's neck pickup and a Les Paul.
I've really never thought so much about my hands. I have weird hands I think. My hands are technically quite large but fingers proportionately smaller. Since my fingers aren't super long and I have problems with my wrist this is probably a good idea.
Having to have short nails kinda sucks, but long nails can get gross and break easily. It sucks trying to paint short nails though, not very rewarding.
My fingers aren't that stumpy, that's kind of a bad angle, but they're not as long as you'd expect given the hands. I definitely think I'll benefit from the short scale for lead and Andy Summersing.
Heavy guitars are ENORMOUSLY helped by a stretchy-strap such as the "No1 Stretch Strap" for example. They don't look swish but they are unbelievably comfortable even with a guitar as heavy as my old Acrylic bodied Wesley which weighed a TON. I built up a small horde of these straps because I liked them so much.
iCEByTes wrote:5 Most Jizz face maker Solo�s , classic Rock music i ever listened.
iCEByTes wrote:Blunt a joint , Take the Touch , Listen this.
Any votes for the HH model over the SS? There's a HH going second hand here so that's a plus. Also would I be right in saying the bigger sounding SS pickups are a bit more Jazzmastery tonally? Sounds that way in demos
HH because you can always get a new pick guard cut and stick singles in instead. the HB routes gives you HBs with coil splitting (which MAY get you a thinner tone you like) and you can always try HB sized P90s. if you get singles and don't like it you have to route the body.
Now get on and do it and make your own decision! Better your own mistake than somebody else's......
iCEByTes wrote:5 Most Jizz face maker Solo�s , classic Rock music i ever listened.
iCEByTes wrote:Blunt a joint , Take the Touch , Listen this.
Medicine Melancholy wrote:Any votes for the HH model over the SS? There's a HH going second hand here so that's a plus. Also would I be right in saying the bigger sounding SS pickups are a bit more Jazzmastery tonally? Sounds that way in demos
If there is a shortage of Jags over there then if you buy and you decide you don't like you could always flip for the same price, making you a winner. I say do it.
