JB Jr in Jag

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:46 pm

I was gonna say..

To my ears the SJAG-2 has a sparkling sound.
I had one in the last CIJ Jag that i used in a covers band and it comfortably covered most stuff; Beatles/Stone Roses/Stooges/Undertones etc. Currently got one in the Lindert.

louis · Post by **louis** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:51 pm

hmmm, well I'll probably need a bit more umph. I'm more or less never playing clean, and need some balls behind it for the heavy parts. FFFUUUUUUUUUUUU..

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:53 pm

louis wrote:
Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:Personally I would go with a Hot for Jaguar
Me too.
They handle Gain well and you get to keep the claw/cover. I've fitted all sorts in my Jags over the years and the SD Jr style pups seem half arsed to me, you loose some of the guitars looks yet still dont really have the beef of a full size Humbucker (in my opinion).
what sort of 'beef levels' are you looking at with the Hot?

I think its a warm/rounded single coil, hard to explain really.

I've got a shitty myspace link to that cover band i used mine in if it helps?

Ignore the electric drum kit!

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:54 pm

If you would like a sound clip of the cool rails just yell...

EDIT: in fact, this may give you an idea....

http://snd.sc/r9adqA

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:55 pm

louis wrote:need some balls behind it for the heavy parts. FFFUUUUUUUUUUUU..

Fuzz is your friend!

Post by **Mike** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:56 pm

Pens wrote:http://bestnetworx.com/uploader/files/1 ... k%2002.mp3

Sounds amazing! Like Shellac crossed with Nirvana.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:17 pm

Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:Personally I would go with a Hot for Jaguar
Me too.
They handle Gain well and you get to keep the claw/cover. I've fitted all sorts in my Jags over the years and the SD Jr style pups seem half arsed to me, you loose some of the guitars looks yet still dont really have the beef of a full size Humbucker (in my opinion).

Really? Listen to the track mike quoted below, my Jag with a JB Jr is pretty much my heaviest sounding guitar, and all of my other guitars have full size buckers in them. I've also tried "hot" single coils before, I put one in my Hagstrom, but they do not get the same fullness that the Jag gets.

I'm wondering if y'all who tried this before changed the pots as well as putting one of these in? Because I kept the stock 1M pots and the sound is immense.

Ben79 wrote:I like the music. The slight sloppiness on the second actually seems to give it a characterful edginess.

Thanks. Not trying to derail the thread, it's just a demo recording a buddy of mine offered to do for free. This song really needs the vocals to fill it out, the edginess makes more sense when you have lyrics about being on the edge of breaking down.

Mike wrote:
Pens wrote:http://bestnetworx.com/uploader/files/1 ... k%2002.mp3
Sounds amazing! Like Shellac crossed with Nirvana.

That's one of our first songs that I kept from the old lineup. I adore the riffs in this one and I completely admit to attempting to rip off Shellac here. I was told by out of town bands I've played with that we sound like "the Midwest version of grunge", which I took to mean mixing that heavy Melvins/Soundgarden stuff with the oddness of Midwest Chicago noise like Shellac and Jesus Lizard. The rest of our stuff isn't quite the same as this, we cover a lot of area really because I hate writing the same song over and over again. Glad you liked it!

Thom · Post by **Thom** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:05 pm

How about getting the existing pup rewound rather than a new one?
Bare Knuckle rewound my jag bridge pup to a whopping 21k and it's awesome - have had a lot of bridge pups in my jag (including a SD QP, full size HB and a P90) and it is by far the best. It's essentially wound to be a BKP Sinner. But talk to them about what you want, they're really helpful.
Have heard good things about Cats Whisker rewinds too.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:48 pm

Pens wrote:
Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:Personally I would go with a Hot for Jaguar
Me too.
They handle Gain well and you get to keep the claw/cover. I've fitted all sorts in my Jags over the years and the SD Jr style pups seem half arsed to me, you loose some of the guitars looks yet still dont really have the beef of a full size Humbucker (in my opinion).
Really? Listen to the track mike quoted below, my Jag with a JB Jr is pretty much my heaviest sounding guitar, and all of my other guitars have full size buckers in them. I've also tried "hot" single coils before, I put one in my Hagstrom, but they do not get the same fullness that the Jag gets.

I'm wondering if y'all who tried this before changed the pots as well as putting one of these in? Because I kept the stock 1M pots and the sound is immense.

I left the 1 m pots in too.
That recording sounds like a Single Coil with a Fuzz pedal to me dude, what pedal you kicking in?
I dont know what rig Louis is using but my point was, i was going straight into a Marshall JCM with the JB Jr and it did not match the depth of a full humbucker (which i later fitted in my burgundy mist Jag) or drive the pre-amp in the same way.
But if he's using a Fuzz pedal its different, anything can sound heavy with a decent Fuzz, even Lipsticks on a Dano.
This Tokai Strat was bright and thin sounding, not with a Fuzz Face..

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Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:24 pm

I ought to do another recording of the same riff with my one single coil guitar and show you the difference. It's nothing like a single.

And no, the pedal(s) are two Rats, one set at light gain for overdrive and the second is my handbuilt modified Rat at full bore.

Conversely, I have two other full humbucker guitars that sound almost but not quite as heavy as that Jag, into the same rig.

Post by **dots** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:02 pm

louis wrote:it would also help if on the seymour duncan site they put samples up of what the pickups sound like distorted, rather than with just a minimal amount of Overdrive.

the rhythm guitar parts of this song were my avri jag when i had a duncan jb jr in the bridge. pretty much everything other than the lead guitar in the middle of the track is that setup, played through my old marshall TSL, a bassman 100, and a mesa dual rec.

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Post by **dots** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:08 pm

oh yeah, that last bit at the outtro is also that guitar, plucked behind the bridge ("you know you're right" stylee). if the pickup was hot enough to pick that up with definition you hear there, it's gotta have some girth to it.