24" - ers

bfloyd6969 · Post by **bfloyd6969** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:50 am

Hello all. Since getting my CV Duo Sonic, it has been the only guitar I have been playing and the others (all full scale) have been in their cases. It took a short time to get used to the closer frets but now when I pick up one of my full scale guitars it just feels too big:) I find the shorter scale so much easier to play, much more fun to play, thus resulting in me playing more and have been considering the possibility of selling some of the others to make funds for more short scales. My question, other than the Duo Sonic and Jagmaster, what other new 24" scale guitars are currently on the market? I know I could opt for a classic Fender Duo or Musicmaster or the like with the even shorter scale, but I am also interested in knowing of there are any other new models out there - more preferably 24" scale. Thanks.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:02 am

There's the Classic Player Jaguars - very good guitars in both HB and single pup versions.

Post by **dots** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:28 pm

yep, there are new jaguars, "jaguars", duos and mustangs available on the market in the US currently. you also have cyclones being reissued, but those i believe are gibson (24.75") scale. are the new jagmasters 24?

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:31 pm

As far as I know, these are the current model 24" scales available outside of Japan (roughly increasing order of price):

1. Squier Jagmaster - 21-fret 24" neck w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets, Strat tremolo

2. Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar - 22-fret 24" neck (Jag/Mustang dimensions) w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets, dual humbucker, no rhythm circuit (but routed for one), dumb hardtail bridge, Strat jack.

3. Squier Classic Vibe Duo-Sonic - 21-fret 24" neck w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets

4. Fender Blacktop Jaguar - MIM, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets, dual humbucker, no rhythm circuit (no route either), Tune-O-Matic style bridge w/ stopbar

5. Fender Pawn Shop Mustang Special - MIJ, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets, dual WRHB (but really just humbuckers), three-way-toggle switch, modified Mustang body, Strat-style hardtail bridge

6. Fender Classic Player Jaguar Special - MIM, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets, dual single coil, rhythm circuit, Tune-O-Matic style bridge w/ vibrato tailpiece

7. Fender Classic Player Jaguar Special HH - MIM, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 9.5" radius and medium jumbo frets, dual humbucker, rhythm circuit modified into Spin-a-Split style coil splits, Tune-O-Matic style bridge w/ vibrato tailpiece

8. Fender Special Edition Jaguar HH - MIJ, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 7.25" radius and vintage-style frets, dual humbucker, rhythm circuit, Tune-O-Matic style bridge w/ stopbar

9. Fender Classic Series '65 Mustang - MIJ, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 7.25" radius and vintage-style frets, Mustang style bridge w/ vibrato, dual single coil

10. Fender American Vintage '62 Jaguar - MIA, 22-fret 24" neck w/ 7.25" radius and vintage-style frets, Jaguar style bridge w/ vibrato tailpiece, dual single coil, rhythm circuit, the whole she-bang

I have bolded the two that I like the most out of the current production models. I like the Jaguar HH because it's very playable out of the box and is very versatile and mod-friendly, with potential to work for all different kinds of music. At the same time, it keeps that awesome neck that I so love. I like the '65 Mustang because it's a perfect guitar, but I find it overpriced. Luckily, it sells for not that much upon resale.

Now, if you're open to used and imports, there are an embarrassing variety of Japanese Mustangs and Jaguars to choose from, all of them with awesome necks featuring 7.25" radius and vintage-style frets.

Post by **dots** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:10 pm

splendid post there!

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:23 pm

I never knew that black Jaguar HH had a 7.25" radius, that's cool.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:26 pm

mr pedantic wrote:doesn't have a vibrato tailpiece though

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:32 pm

the pawn shop mustang has the same Fender Enforcer pickups but under a WRHB cover that the Classic Player Special HH Jaguar has.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:50 pm

Fender Enforcers have been used in a lot of guitars over the years, mostly Strats. They're a somewhat aggressive sounding ceramic bucker.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:51 pm

stewart wrote:
mr pedantic wrote:doesn't have a vibrato tailpiece though

Yeah fixed.

bfloyd6969 · Post by **bfloyd6969** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:17 pm

Thanks for the replies everyone - and that is a great, informative list HIC! I didn't realize that there were so many 24" ers in production. Time to get looking at them all.

Please forgive my lack of know, but what is the rhythm circuit?

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:35 pm

The rhythm circuit is this useless piece of circuitry in Jaguars that turns the tone into a muddy piece of shit. But some people like it.

I like the fact that it's there because you can modify it to be useful.

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:44 pm

bfloyd6969 wrote:Please forgive my lack of know, but what is the rhythm circuit?

Classicly wired Jaguars and Jazzmasters have two circuits, a lead and rhythm circuit. The lead circuit is controlled by the main volume and tone knobs, and the switches on the lower bout, set with 1meg pots. The switch on the upper bout toggles the rhythm circuit, which engages only the neck pickup and uses the volume and tone wheels on the upper bout; it has 50k pots. The dual circuit design allows for easy switching between two tones/volumes with a single flick of a switch.

A lot of people here don't like the rhythm circuit, but, I like it. I normally play the lead, and flick into the rhythm with the tone rolled back a bit for some thicker heavy parts within the same song. It's handy.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:51 pm

The main issue is why 50k pots? Volume and tone knobs can easily be rotated to the left. Why 50k? If they had put in 250k, 500k, or meg pots in there, it would have been incredibly useful. Instead, all you get is mud to muddier.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:25 pm

honeyiscool wrote:The main issue is why 50k pots? Volume and tone knobs can easily be rotated to the left. Why 50k? If they had put in 250k, 500k, or meg pots in there, it would have been incredibly useful. Instead, all you get is mud to muddier.

Back in the day most amps were voiced brighter and more people played jazz. Having a preset jazz sound on a guitar as otherwise Fendery-sounding as a Jaguar would suggest they wanted it to be some sort of "jazz master" if you will. How it ended up with a name like Jaguar I'll never know.

The rhythm circuit is useful through your classic bright blackface cleans. I use it all the time when I'm playing thru my vibro champ xd and it doesn't come off as thuddymuddy at all.

I mean, why the hell does it have 1meg pots on the lead circuit? Who the fuck wants their shit that bright? Etcetera.

Post by **dots** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:27 pm

500k or 1meg pots wouldn't have done anything but give you a switch to deactivate the bridge pickup and there's already a switch for that on the lead circuit. there'd be no real distinguishable sonic shift. i could see a 250k pot instead, but i'm pleased as punch with the 50k's on both of my jags (avri and hh special w/ p90's for the unaware).

Post by **dots** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:29 pm

paul_ wrote:The rhythm circuit is useful through your classic bright blackface cleans. I use it all the time when I'm playing thru my vibro champ xd and it doesn't come off as thuddymuddy at all.

it also sings on a mid-rangey marshall.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:32 pm

Thats the sort of comment that has me scouring eBay for an AVRI neck pickup. Though I suppose I haven't CIJ'd up the plexi since before I would spike the mids and presence so... May need to investigate immediately.

Post by **dots** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:01 am

i use the lead and rhythm circuits for the opposite intended purposes a lot of the time. rhythm circuit with the bass on the jvm rolled back on od2 channel orange is melted buttah!

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:06 am

paul_ wrote:
honeyiscool wrote:The main issue is why 50k pots? Volume and tone knobs can easily be rotated to the left. Why 50k? If they had put in 250k, 500k, or meg pots in there, it would have been incredibly useful. Instead, all you get is mud to muddier.
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The rhythm circuit is useful through your classic bright blackface cleans. I use it all the time when I'm playing thru my vibro champ xd and it doesn't come off as thuddymuddy at all.

I mean, why the hell does it have 1meg pots on the lead circuit? Who the fuck wants their shit that bright? Etcetera.

Aye, I'm playing through a nice bright 1972 Twin Reverb... the Rhythm circuit is still pretty articulate. For my ears, it's no muddier than the soap-bar in the neck of my Aerodyne Telecaster (voiced different, but no muddier), which isn't muddy

The Lead circuit is Tele bridge bright, though, even in the neck... which I've also been loving.

dots wrote:i use the lead and rhythm circuits for the opposite intended purposes a lot of the time. rhythm circuit with the bass on the jvm rolled back on od2 channel orange is melted buttah!

Ditto.

It's great, for example, to do a cover of Three Imaginary Boys by the Cure; lead circuit for the bulk of the song, snap in the Rhythm and dirt for the solo, then back. Good times.